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so you are saying that even in halo2 pc you cant swap textures?

THAT VIDEO PROVES NOTHING! he had already hit the dude twice with no sheilds so even if it didnt give him the headshot medal he would have killed him reguardless. it only takes 3 DMR body shots to kill somone with full health. it was likely a glitch not the spread. i have had sniper rounds that hit somones arm but gave me a headshot...you ganna blame that on bloom too? lol. it was probably lag or some other glitch because reach DMR has never ever behaved this way for me even when the game first came out. hell that never even happened in the beta and bloom/recoil was WAAAAY worse in the beta. even if it was luck. that kind of thing would only happen once in a blue moon. plus he was pretty close range so spamming the trigger would be a valid tactic at that range bloom or no bloom. and for all you know his teamate shot him in the head and it just gave this dude the kill....that has also happend to me because if you damage somone an his teamate fires the shot that kills the guy you damaged then it gives you the kill. sorry but this is an isolated incodent and will likely never be replecated. looks more like an error with the hitbox or medal system or just plain old lag. i have played alot of games in my life so i know BS and glitches when i see em and this looked more like a glitch then it did bloom. we cant say forsure unless we looked at the match in theater from multiple angles and took a look at the games netcode to see if it threw any errors. a lame MLG dudes youtube video is hardly proof. anyway even if bloom does promote luck i dont see it as being a valid argument because 1: their is no such thing as luck. and 2: many many great compeitive games have dice roll style mechanics. just look at dungeons and dragons. or any competitive RPG for that matter. come up with a better argument with better evidence.

thank you. he doesnt seem to understand the basic fuctions of a firearm. if you fire fully auto the gun will shake and recoil and your shots will spread more. if you burst they will not spread as much because you are stopping fire to readjust your aim. bloom is simply your crossair getting bigger on the screen in order to tell you how much your gun is spreading. spread is the cone of fire. i wish more people would realise this. that they are not playing call of duty where every gun has almost zero spread. they are playing a tactical hardcore game that reqires discipline not just twitchy fingers. even if 343 made the mistake of removing AL and bloom as long as they dont do it to invasion i wont rage. i heard they are changing armor lock so that its energy runs out much faster if you taking damage.(kind of defeats the whole point lol) this isnt going to satisfy the purists because their main complaint is when they try to hit somone with a sword and he armor locks then just mellee. making armor lock have its own health bar is not going to fix that. they wont rest untill AL is gone 100%. 343 is just testing the waters and seeing what they can get away with. il bet they will remove armor abilities all together from most of the playlists in time.......as long as they dont touch invasion lol

well i would say that those are your opinions not fact. i dont see how bloom ads any luck to the game. infact i dont even think their is a such thing as luck in a video game. everyone has a fair chance to hit. if i am spamming the trigger and you are spamming the trigger then we have the same chance of killing eachother. you are taking somthing like recoil and lableling it luck. sorry but no. if you miss because you spammed the trigger it was not "bad luck" it was because you made poor choices. and if you spam the trigger and you do hit once or a few times well your shooting in their direction so i would imagine SOME of those rounds would make contact. i dont even notice the bloom and people say "well you must be getting lucky with the DMR" thats BS because i dont spam i pace my shots so i hit with every shot. i mean how lucky can one person be? are you telling me that the monthes i have been playing reach since it was released all my DMR kills where luck? no because i dont spam. and when i do spam i dont hit crap. spamming is for close range. but anything farther then 4 feet you will not hit or at least not hit in the head. you cant say bloom works good in counter strike because it is handled largely the same in reach. in counterstrike if you hold down the trigger it is not likely that you will hit anythng. but at least one of those bullets might hit your enemy in the thigh. and if you can manage it or are close enough, one of those bullets might hit them in the head. you say that bloom works well in counterstrike yet you say that bloom messes up halo's competitive enviroment. that shows how dumb you are because counterstrike has an even bigger competitive game then halo yet the bloom works just fine according to you. you contradict yourself therefore your argument is moot. and as far as armor lock goes. No it does not slow the game. it speeds it up. thats a fact.

look im sorry about the name calling. if i hurt your feelings i was just frustrated im sure you have had "one of those days". im not whining just trying to have some debate. not fricken fight over the fracking poll. who cares about the poll i deleted the troll poll and created a new one so its fair. i have read lots of your posts and you are way to serious. lighten up its just halo. even if they removed bloom and armor lock i would still play, it just wouldnt be as fun IMO. fine my origional poll was stupid but i didnt mean for people to take it serious it was meant to be really frackin stupid and as you have pointed out multiple times it was really frackin stupid. it had yes 3 times for frak sakes. i didnt think every other post would be bitching about the poll...i just figured people would not vote lol. The main reason i called you names and raged on you was because you implied that i had made more then one unfair poll....but i had only made one unfair poll....now you see? and i didnt just change the letters on the poll i actually deleted the old one and made a fresh one. so if we are done fighting over the stupid poll then we can be done fighting over the stupid poll and we can go back to having proper debate or just let this thread die. the more we argue the more this thread stays at the top and the longer this thread stays at the top the more people will vote in my favor. just look at the poll now.... so i propose we agree to disagree and stop talking about the poll since its fixed anyway and everyone can get on with their lives instead of waisting hours in a flame war.

sigh.....i changed the poll.....so that people like you.....would stop whining.....because i didnt think people would take the poll seriously to begin with..... because it was a JOOOOOOOKE!!!!!!! yet even after i change the poll.....you still complain....do you want me to remove the poll? also it was the first poll that was one sided (i have not made any other one sided polls other then the one on this thread and i removed it and replaced it with a fair poll thus fixing any complaints you could possibly have) so if i call you an idiot or a fracktard its not to make myself feel better....ITS BECAUSE YOU ARE ACTING LIKE ONE.

sorry i only made two other polls and the invasion one is the only one that could even be remotly considered one sided. either you are thinking of someone else or you are just stupid.

oh my god i love invasion with people who actually try (on both teams)....some randoms are just so fracking stupid....and most people quit at the first sighn of losing. i hate randoms i wish their was some kind of age limit or somthing for invasion so that we would get more good, solid, fair, close games with unstacked teams and real skill on both sides...ahh yes i have fond memories of the few times when we get good teams on both sides. the matches are just as chaotic and awsome but without the random bullcrap that children and trolls bring to the game. Pure Unrefined Chaotic Halo goodness. A crack team of badass elites Vs. the best of the best spartan defenders. it dont get much better then that boys. its what halo was always meant to be

what was my other 1 sided poll? the invasion coler one? me putting the word derp makes it onesided? you are an idiot

i couldnt agree more even if i cloned you and put my brain in the clones body and put the clones brain in my body and then had sex with the clone and had a baby with all the same opinions......wow that got confusing.....will you marry me?

i agree...but its everyones game...

they should just release a texture pack for halo2 via 400 ms points on xbox live....that would at least help. basicly you would get halo2 retextured weather you own halo2 or not. basicly you would be buying halo2 but it comes with a texture pack for the xbox360. it wouldnt fix all the problems but it would at least help with the graphics and make it easier on the eyes. hmm i wonder if any modders have made halo2 tex packs for halo2 pc...im going to have to look into this

no point in remastering halo3 because the graphics are still decent. that would be like remastering halo reach lol. halo1 and 2 are justified

well with halo cea they are not changing the gameplay because bungie got it pretty much perfect the first time (with the exeption of not enough weapons and vehicles) but halo2 would reqire extensive retooling because its pretty much broken. the gameplay just isnt there like halo1. the only redeaming levels from halo2 are the arbitur levels. because it is fun even today to cloak and assassinate every single enemy on a level lol. but all that tells me is that we need more elite SP not a halo2 remake. dont get me wrong it would be cool...it would just take alot of time to bring the gameplay up to par...

exactly just more maps and localls. it does not matter if its an air battle, space battle, or somthing as simple as taking over 3 bases in the canyon on forgeworld we simply need, want, reqire, and thirst for MORE FRACKING MAPS! invasion is one of the best gametypes i have ever played in a halo game. and to be honest i tried making it in halo3 forge about a year before reach came out. (bungie you stole my idea!) of coarse i didnt call it invasion but i planned it to be teritories with covy weapons against human. i planned to create several bases and one air base. attackers attacked each base while defenders defended. It would have been exactly like invasion exept for the core capture part. i was so happy when i found out bungie had thought of the same thing so i never finished the map....lol

well it was mostly a joke but i fixed the poll for crybabys like you WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First off you tried to pwn me by restating most of what i said and agreeing with me. epic fail. also i am not trying to compare halo and cod just compare the shooting mechanics. In cod you spam the trigger and kill everything in your sights (unrealilistic) in halo you must be more precise with your aiming and timing. Furthermore on hardcore mode in COD MW you can kill someone by shooting them in the toe with ONE bullet even if they have FULL health. in reach you can take 3 DMR rounds to the CHEST with FULL heatlh so get your facts straight. yea thanks for agreeing with me and reinforcing my arguments. meyb you missed understood what i said because of my grammar which is my fault. sorry. but most of the facts that you just posted i already knew and reinforced my points. idk you either miss understood my post or i miss read your post. but if i understand you clearly then yes i agree with you. however your point about the weapon mechanics staying the same even if they remove the bloom peaks my interest. If the guns are going to shoot mostly the same then why remove the bloom? you would think that removing the bloom would frustrate people even more and cause confusion. Am i uderstanding you correctly? could it be that people are crying for nothing? i suspect that is the case. at anyrate i hope this thread dies soon because i think we have spawned all the intelligent debate that it possible. The only thing left for this thread is trolling and flaming. Unless someone has some good points but you are the only one who has come here with facts and those facts confirm alot of my arguments/concerns so i just dont get it. thanks for your post and cheers.

I have to disagree on your point about luck. you can easily tell what armor ability somone has by simply watching them. people with sprint almost always sprint even in the heat of combat. but if their doing nothing just walking around then chances are they have armor lock. I study my enemies instead of blindly attacking any true gamer does. i can tell when somone isnt paying attention and i wait for those moments. I have had seasoned players looking right at me when i move to assassinate them and they dont see me because i can almost smell that they are looking at their motion tracker or zoomed in and not watching their own back. armor abilities add new skillsets other then aiming and map controll. they add timing and execution to a game that would have very little. and yea sure people get a lucky moment here and there but that is true with anygame. if your bed is old falling apart and full of bedbugs then mom has to do more then change the sheets. halo 3 was laggy and had FAR less replay value then reach. dont get me wrong i had fun in halo2 and 3 but never as much as reach. it feels more like halo because even in halo2 the elites had jetpacks but we couldnt use them. the heretic boss used highly advanced holograms and tartarus had armor lock but he could move while it was activated. reach made all those things playable yet not overpowerd, and everyone wants to take a step back because waaaah its not enough like the old halo games waaaaahhh!!! even if reach was exactly like halo 2 they would cry. i think alot of the people who hate bloom and armor abilities just dont like halo anymore at all. they blame the abilities and additions and say well how come i liked halo2 and 3 but not reach? its nostalgia that makes them have fond memories of halo2/3 but if they went back and played them they would have the same amount of problems as they do with reach. the problem with halo is that their are too many fans. you cant please them all. I think that purest's simply connot be pleased. they complain about armor abilities so bungie makes a classic playlist. yet i never see anymore then 200 players in that playlist on a good day. they dont want halo back the way it was. they just want to enjoy halo again how they used to back when they wer younger, but you cant regain your youth. you just have to make the best of your veterancy. even when 343 releases the title update and takes away dmr bloom for the classic playlist the pureists will still find some reason to complain. even if it ran and the spartans moved exactly like they did in halo1 the purests would still cry. because they are remembering halo1 and 2 to be better games then they actually where. i have went back and replayed all the halo games single player and MP with my local halo friends and they just arent as good as we remember because their was nothing better at the time. when i first played the halo reach beta i will admit i was a little put off by some of the changes. armor lock was OP and the DMR had worse bloom to the point that luck wasnt even a factor, you simply would not hit your target if your bloom was big, but i gave it a chance instead of raging to bungie and i ended up loving the beta. at the end of they day we have to ask ourselvs is the game FUN? and i would have to say its fun as hell. yea meyb its a big step from the origional trilogy but its fun and thats all that counts. MLGers will say that they dont like the changes but MLGers dont play for fun they play to feel good about themselves and master the meta game and thats simply not fun. its OCD. true skill is determined by your ability to adapt to any situation not memorize weapon spawn timers and choke points. the game needs to be crafted to be fun before anything else because its a GAME. games HAVE to be fun because they are games. MLG players treat the game like a sport. and while thats all well and good sports tend to be more stressfull then fun IMO. yea i expect a certain level of skill and dedication from my teammates but if the game isnt fun as a result of that then whats the point? the game would still be fun without AA but not as fun. i dont pay 60$ for an E sport. i pay for good heart pounding adreniline filled fun, and i think armor lock and bloom supply alot of that fun. but i guess we all have different opinions as to what is and isnt fun. thats why i somewhat regret starting this thread even if it did spawn some good discussion. its a very opinion filled thread and the only way to solve this debate is to make playlists that cator to both the purists and those that are willing to adapt and evolve(thats what 343 is doing). it was called combat evolved not combat repeated. If you dont add things to halo games then halo becomes shovelware. Nobody wants that. bungie had to add things and im glad they added things that we had saw before in previous titles like jetpacks and holograms most people think armor locks are frustrating because they go to kill someone with the sword and he counters with armour lock....funny that never happens to me when i have the sword. people will say im just lucky but how fracking lucky can one guy be? i seldomly miss a shot due to the bloom and if i do its because im trying to survive and hammering away on the trigger like an idiot instead of keeping my cool. i almost never am fooled by armor lockers yet when i use armor lock i win almost every time. am i good at the game? a little i have beem playing halo games for ten years now but im not THAT good! Am i just super lucky all the time? no because i lose just as much as the next guy. but when i lose its because my team is not backing me up. not because someone armor locked near me. EMP's kill sheilds we just need to deal with it. if it wer real life an EMP would fry your armor permanently and you would just be stuck their not able to move in your 6 ton coffin. we should just be glad halo isnt realistic because if it was armor lock would devastate everything even the person armor locking, and bloom would be even worse then it is and elites would always win in invasion due to the fact that they are more advanced then humans. IMO armor lock is suicidal but effective if thats your playstyle. and thats what armor abilities do they add playstyles. if everyone was equal like in halo3 then their would only be one playstyle and the game would get stale much faster. might as well just play halo3 if thats what you want.

then you are missing out and if you think invasion is for kids its because you cant handle the chaos and it gives you bad dreams. (wuss)

luck is only involved when you spam the trigger. i dont spam the trigger so i dont get the luck thing. all my shots make contact. yea if your spamming and your targeter gets huge then it is luck related. you may or may not hit because you are fireing nonstop and you need to cool it. i havent even heard a good argument against bloom. i made a good argument in blooms favor in my origional post but no one counters it. all they do is hate on me and whine. this indicates to me that they have no argument. my reasons for bloom to stay where that it would OP the dmr. but no one adresses this because they want an OP dmr. fine go ahead make it OP so that everyone will complain and you can feel like your good at halo just because you use no other weapon. yea keep low players at rank ten all their lives if you wish. you still have no other arguments against bloom other then "it doesnt belong in halo" thats like the most crybaby argument i have heard. and honestly making a new account and raping noobs is just being a troll. if you troll people somone bigger and badder is ganna troll you right back so be carfull you may bite off more then your little tummy can handle.

i know cod has spread thats not the point. the point is that you can spam the trigger on cod...you people have a nasty habbit of missing the fracken point. and btw i have played cod...unpolished and unbalanced. i like how reach handles bloom. cod copied their spread from counter strike didnt they? which is weird because on counterstrike if you hold the trigger you wont hit crap. cod has fake bloom. the guns still shoots straight even when u are holding down the trigger for years. at least the reach bloom gives you a good idea of how much of a chance you have to hit your target. in cod (hardcore mode) you can shoot somone in the toe with a pistol and they will die. thats not hardcore thats just stupid

counter strike is hardcore because everyone starts out equal and the game is all map controll. but i find halo to be more hardcore in a different way. for example halo can get so chaotic at times that it takes a true gamer to keep his composure and make split second decisions. i cant wait for counter strike global offensive

yea breakpoint should be free. as far as i know breakpoint invasion still has a banshee...although i have not played in a few days meyb they changed it that fast?

i agree i would like a space battle invasion map or just more maps in general. spire and boneyard are awsome but it gets tire some after playing them for 3 hours. and breakpoint hardly ever shows up. invasion breakpoint shows up pretty often in premium battle but nobody votes for it and even when they do half of the players quit because they just want to play CTF

this is how it would have to be done. it would pretty much just be invasion. elites start in seraphs and banshees and spartan's get sabre's...elites dogfight their way to the enemy frigate. board it and then take the first point inside the hangar.now elites will spawn in the hangar bay and the next point will be to fight your way to the frigates bridge. once on the bridge elites will then have to plant a bomb. once bomb explodes spartan navigation core will be exposed. elites will then have to get the nav core back to the frigates hangar and load it onto a seraph that spawns there. now the elites will have to escort the seraph with other seraphs and space banshees to protect it from the spartan defender's. finally once the core bearing ship lands safely inside the covy corvette the match will end and elites will win. if at any point the elites fail one of the objectives(run out of time/lives), spartans will win. if the seraph that has the core gets blown up on its way to the corvette then the power core will either re spawn or stay floating in space untill another seraph touches it. i think this would add so much to the experiance of invasion. plus we need more invasion maps anyway and one set up like this would make invasion feel fresh and pull more players that want to try online space battles. I SAY WE DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!