Adam, I didn't make myself clear then...I was referring to owners of HCEA, not Reach...I have Reach now but it's on loan from a friend who wants it back now that I have anniversary. HCEA MM is pretty sparse...not near the variety of EVERY other Halo games out there. FF only has one map that I saw...and while it was fun and got me a lot of XP points last night it doesn't have the constant appeal of SWAT matches...nobody in that was micd up...absolutely no strategy...it was just run-n-gun race to see who could slaughter the waves of bots...seems pretty mindless. SWAT at least people call out positions, enemies behind, watch backs, etc. And really, HaloCE is a 10-year old game and despite spruced up visuals and nostalgia, it's a flawed game by today's standards. For multiplayer, Reach is clearly a better package at the same $39 price.