Roun Cole

To be honest im not entirely sure its still halo, technology for all factions has never really been inconsistent, all Covvie tech(excluding brutes)were all generally the same, usually purple or blue plasma/nuclear based weapons, nuclear being fuel rod cannon and carbine, not exactly sure what needles are made of... The Brutes pretty much are there own faction, they never really took part in the established order of things, they spent all there time in the either as underlings or fighting elites, so they dont really count for covvie tech. UNSC are mainly projectile weapons with some experimental "new" weapons like the Gauss cannon, or spartan laser, while coming in all manner of earth tones they all generally look the same in concept and design. While Forerunner technology has alway had that grey/golden look depending on what your looking at, while they do have other weapons most of there usage is high energy beam weapons, and until recently the only form they have taken has been as drones, like sentinels, these new machines dont really make sense to me. Granted you have vast differences between the builder and warrior-servant casts, but you would think that the type of technology would be consistent all around. To be honest, these machines really look border line ***anese, which I would take as a huge insult, considering how much stereo type crap you seen in ***anese cartoons, the forerunners dont really have all that much in common with any culture on earth, let alone asian cultures. What do you say to this?

I think the halo4 armor examples look to much like ***anese robots..

Nice to me you too.

Yeah, all I have to do is glance at the first lines of the first two paragraphs to know that you are to worthless to even take seriously, as my first glance tells me, you want to bull**** me over what came first, the moron or the dumb ass, and I tell you something, the game that came first, was halo1, which happened after the fact, you are the biggest ******* ******* I have ever seen, you come in here, expecting me to take that line of reasoning seriously enough that I will sit here and listen to your meaningless gorilla chatter, I dont play that game, go flame where people give a damn...

You fail to see the point though, they are to old, according to the start date in 'ghosts of onyx' the oldest a III could possibly be is 27, while Jun, Emile, and Carter, are 28.29.32, much to old to be IIIs, on top of that the IIIs from the first three batches are all dead. The oldest IIIs alive are Tom and Lucy, which I believe are either 20 or 21, so even Kat, at 22 is to old, its sad how slap in the fact it all is, they didnt even try to keep the game canon...

Something else you over looked, was that Halsey acted as though it was normal to have IIIs talking to her, in both 'ghosts of onyx' and 'glasslands' she gets hopping mad over not only the fact that the program was done, but it was done without her knowledge, and the lengthy arguments in 'glasslands' as to the morality of the III program and the concept of spartans as a whole. It really is an ugly thing that they pretty well did everything they did knowing it was wrong, but because they are no longer running the show they are not responsible for what they have done, they get to walk away with the money, and to add insult to injury, they are actually louded as heros, by the ignorant masses, not to mention that all the major media like IGN went along with it without complaint. The sadist thing about everything is that no one questions media, whither its IGN or CNN no one questions what they see on tv, so Bungie walks away with a near perfect crime, hopefully what they have done will hurt them down the road with what they plan to do in the future, so much for 7th column huh? All the BS aside, I think the only thing they actually did right was to add armor abilities, I have always hated the fact that everything gets boiled down to everyone just shooting at each other hoping to get the kill shot first without any regard for actual skill, nearly every MLG game ends with a close lead, and you nearly cant tell one game from the other because if you do something different in MLG you die. Armor abilities 'allow' you to actually think about the way you play, rather than running on preprogrammed autopilot.

And this is why what you think does not matter... By rewriting the battle of reach so utterly, they have effectively destroyed the series, do you understand how? First of all, a good number of the books, of which the entire series are based are no invalid, the life and death of key characters is forever changed, like Sgt Johnson, his life and existence in the games depends completely on how the battle turned out, if you accept this game as the actual history, he never made it to halo in the first game, he was never there to help stop the second halo, and so on, he is erased from existence. Everything is interrelated, the oldest IIIs as I said in the article which you clearly never read, are only as old as 27 but none of the first IIIs are alive anymore, the oldest ones still alive are 20 years old namely Tom and Lucy found in 'ghosts of onyx' and 'glasslands' if you allow Carter to be 32, Jun and Emile to be 28 and 29, they were hear before the program started, so how did they get the training and become IIIs? Never mind they use armor they cant wear because they dont have the same augmentations that the IIs did, so they go against the laws of physics as well. The whole world is turned on its head and utterly burned down if this game is acceptable as history, we are not time travelers who can defy physics, either the series says as it always has been or you might as well say the Chief was never born and it would all generally be acceptable...

Ho, ly, ****, that is a whole lot more text than I thought you could even put on post....

True, but thats not really an issue, if bungie or 343i for that matter were to go and over haul all the weapons and equipment each game, I would call it an improvement, back when all this started bungie like most other game developers didnt have the technology to make the games as good as they could, they came up with basic concepts for weapons and equipment because thats all they could do at the time, now that they have the technology, I wouldnt mind one bit if they went and completely redid everything in the game. My big concern which is the purpose of this article, is that the story remains the same always, the things that make up what halo is today and what it will be soon are completely bound in the history of the series, in fact 343i said that they are basing halo4 on the book I was talking about in the article, because it is the best culmination of material on who the Chief, John, is as a person, so keeping all of history intact and in context is the most important thing of all, I dont really care what happens with weapons and armor so long as its a step forward, namely more detail and options for the player to choose from to make the game experience more enjoyable...

You can really tell they hate the fans, they knew what they could get away with and they did it with a smile on there faces. Go back and look at all the ads from before Reach game out, they bragged so much about this and that, now we can see just how much they lied to our faces... Look at forge world, perfect example, they bragged about it so much, but then it was so utterly limited in what you could do, oh, by the way, you cant forge any other maps, but were going to leave that out until after you all buy the game, thats a universal **** you to everyone..... Then when we really look at forge world, you will notice that they designed the whole map to cater to them, so they could have those preset maps they made and have them be perfect, look at that nook up above the hanger, its not a flat field, it has dips and bumps fine tuned for the map they made, its all criminal, they made themselves look good, they lied to our faces, took the money and ran ran ran, they should be sued out of existence...

Im with you all the way, it was a good concept to have the credits for buying armor stuff, but its not a ranking system that you want to rate team member on.... I have a cause im working on as well take a look at it and let me know what you think... http://www.343industries.org/forum/topic/10045-halo-reach-is-not-canon-and-noble-team-cannot-exist/

How about importing images that we can paste on objects? There are smart programs that can detect if an image is pornographic or anything like that. You could make things like what ever you want, hows this for trippy, make block objects that are really tiny and dont get in the way of vehicles and what not, pin them in place and have a big non-existent tree pasted on it that you can walk, drive, shoot, what ever right though and have this as visual obstacles, that would be awesome...

Lets add AI spartans, Elites, Marines, Jackals, Grunts, to forge and multi-player so they can fight one someones team, imagine two flag CTF with AI base defenders?

I want to see a totally new concept, I want there to be the two weapons like you normally have, but I also what to see a standard weapon set alongside them. Say you get your choice weapons, a DMR and Sniper, or what ever, along with those weapons you get a standard pistol that you can draw using the D-pad, and maybe a basic cut down rifle similar to a P90 that clips to your chest, either or both of these weapons would be standard and cannot be removed or replaced. If not having a small rifle clipped to your chest, at the least having a pistol stuck to you somewhere that remains standard no matter what your two weapons are is a really good Idea, that way if you run out of ammo, or need the pistol as moderation you have it available at all times... I also think the ammo cap on all weapons needs to go through the roof, I liked Halo: CE back when you could have up to ten clips of almost any weapon, putting a three or four clip limit on a weapon is stupid, especially in campaign, has anyone ever gone through the campaign in either halo2 or halo3 with BR ammo to spare?

That as a rule is a moronic thing to have at all, I mean, how much time do you have in the games for plot setting? The books are key for connecting all the games together so it can all not only make sense, but be richer and more enjoyable because then you can know more about the characters and have a more detailed history of everything so that when big events happen, the gravity of the situation is more real to you... Any company that puts the biggest money maker above the well being of the series as a whole needs to be bombed out of financial existence... Ultimately its the fans who pay for everything, ultimately we made the game, we play the game, we own the game, and who the hell are a bunch of fat ******** to tell us what we do with our money? They dont make the rules, we do!

The reason why this irks me so much is because people keeping about how Jun should come back in halo4 and how Reach relates to halo4 and how Reach is the center of the universe, and blah blah blah, first off Jun is to old to exist, but if we accept Reach as canon then literally the whole series dies, because it contradicts not only itself and kills its own father, so to speak, but key characters like Johnson wouldnt exist, because the events in the book are so crucial to everything... As I said in my post I want it to be known as 'fan fiction' excluding it from the actual story, and I would like it to be public, so all the people who think its a part of the story can become informed, or at the least have confirmation that 343i knows this and that they will not **** everything up for us in the now trilogy...

That cant work out, the whole story is based around the books, the reason why Johnson made it off reach, the reason why he survived the flood, how Johnson and the Chief made it back to earth, the reason for the war as a whole, all kinds of stuff littering the story of the games is solely dependant on the books, and now, with halo4 coming how, the whole game is based not only on the newest books, but this very same book were talking about here, if this book becomes invalidated, then halo4 is not halo and we should all give up right now... The books are everything, and this book came out years before the game did, it was here before halo2 and is in essence the origin of the series, if we take that away, then we might as well say that the Chief was never born...

Hows this for the game, it starts off with the IIs in there room on the Autumn, doing what that do in down time, practicing moves on each other, cleaning weapons, imagine a spartan without armor in fatigues with two others helping him do mantainance, then Keyes enters the room and addresses the Chief like in the book. They get all set to leave and get out to where they are about to jump, then they get the message that Reach is under attack, and out of nowhere someone starts yelling about incomeing fire and it shows a Covenant Carrier baring down on the Autumn, like in the book Cortana takes control of the ship and kicks its ass. Then it goes back and you hear Keyes say, this is how the end begins... Hows that for an opening scene? Then it jumps to the fleet in orbit getting ready to fight, you get control of a few orbital platforms and take potshots at the enemy fleet, and watch the epic fight from what ever angle you want over fleet com-signals. The Autumn would have to arrive early in on for the sake of the game, but alot of the fighting in space takes place before then. Rich space combat lots of options in that area, finally when the Autumn arrives back at Reach, you would play as the Chief fighting in space and boarding the station to secure the nav-data from a ship, that could be cut into a few sections between the other IIs landing to defend key Installations under attack by all the dropships that managed to slip past and land. Over 20 different spartans on the ground fighting so much Covenant that they get pushed underground, imagine setting up minefields and gun inplacements and having massive battlefield setups, it would be great because the book doesnt say what happened on the ground, so go ahead and make **** up! Lots of fighting everywhere so no one would get bored, cycle through everything between the spartans on the ground controlling the Autumn and other ships in space, fighter battles, the whole nine yards... Then the dramatic finish, the Autumn gets hit by the new Covenant super weapon that to me sounds like a giant beam rifle, John and Linda encounter Johnson and his marines one the station, and Linda gets hit, they board a ship and escape to the Pillar of Autumn and John rushs Linda to the cryo room to try and save her life. The last of the spartans on the ground retreat underground and only a few remain... Keyes orders the retreat, Cortana flashes to the battle of Sigma Octanus where they found the artifact that ultimately leads them to halo, and she plots the course, they arrive and say, "what the hell is that?". The legendary ending would show Halsey with the last Half dozen IIs underground, discovering the forerunner installation discribed in 'first strike'. Maybe not the cleanest discription, but pretty damn good dont you think?

For the sake of the game? Dude this game destroys the whole series, for the sake of what? Telling us all that Sgt Johnson was never in the series, that half the series is now invalid? It would be easier to say that the Master Chief was never born than to accept this as canon...

You fail to understand the gravity of the situation, if things continue as they are, then most of the books and the entire game series are invalid, a prime example is that Sgt Johnson boarding the Pillar of Autumn depended solely on how things played out in the book, if the game is canon, Johnson never made it into the series... Not to mention that Halo4 is based on the book not the game, so that makes halo4 invalid as well... Do you understand what im saying?

Halo: Reach does not exist, the game plot is completely wrong, and none of it ever happened. I am here to prove once and for all that the plot of Halo: Reach is not canon, it is a rewrite, and is not real Halo, not only as a cry for justice that we have been betrayed by the people we trusted to deliver the battle of reach, "From the beginning, you know the end." as the official slogan of the game goes. But to shoot down any bastardization of future plot destruction by way of material from Halo: Reach being used in the future. I will start with the most plain flaws of the plot, number one on my list is the Pillar of Autumn. The Pillar of Autumn as seen in Halo: Reach was grounded and preparing to launch, this is not true, I reference the book 'the fall of reach'(which came out before halo2) as my evidence. QUOTE FROM "the fall of reach" CHAPTER TWENTY-NINE 0400 Hours, August 30, 2552 (Military Calendar) / UNSC Pillar of Autumn, in orbit around Epsilon Eridani System, Reach Military Complex Captain Keyes tapped the thrusters of the shuttle pod Coda. The tiny craft rolled and the Pillar of Autumn cam into view. Normally, Captains did not ferry themselves around the space docks of Reach, but Keyes had insisted. All unauthorized personnel were restricted to a narrow flight path around the Pillar of Autumn, and he wanted to take a careful look around the outside of this ship before he took command. END QUOTE/// This is about half of the first page of chapter twenty nine of 'the fall of reach' page 271 by my book. As we see here clearly the Pillar of Autumn was not on the ground when the battle started, and ive even heard that the Pillar of Autumn was built in space and cannot land, but I dont have a source for that so its not valid in this argument. QUOTE FROM 'the fall of reach' (last paragraph of chapter twenty nine) "Approaching Reach system's edge," Ensign Lovell reported. "Ready to generate a slipstream--" "Captain!" Lieutenant Dominique cried. "incoming Alpha priority transmission from FLEETCOME HQ at Reach... sir, they'er under Covenant attack!" END QUOTE/// Page 278 by my book. With both of these quotations in mind, the plot of Halo: Reach, is utterly wrecked in totality... The basis of the end plot was that Cortana, or a portion of her as has been suggested to me, could not possibly be delivered to the Pillar of Autumn, because it was, as seen in chapters 33-37 in space throughout the entire battle. Even the battle itself in Halo: Reach is completely wrong, I will not quote anymore in the interest of saving space in this post, but the final chapters 33-37 are available to be read by anyone who is willing to take the time to read them. In summery, the Pillar of Autumn was surprise attacked by a Covenant Carrier and narrowly destroyed it because of Cortanas skill and capability taking control of the ship. They then turned around and make full thrust to return to Reach in an attempt to join the fleet in orbit, which they were unable to do. They then witnessed the battle for reach from a large distance and on approach, there were approximately one hundred fifty UNSC ships in orbit, with approximately three hundred Covenant ships preparing to attack from afar. By the time the Pillar of Autumn came into range of the battle in was nearly to late. John(master chief)Linda, and James, were dispatched to secure navigation data from a space dock to keep it out of Covenant hands, while the rest of the Spartan-IIs were sent to the surface of Reach to defend key instillations that powered the SUPER-MAC orbital platforms that defended the planet, similar to the Cairo Station as seen in Halo2. James was died, Linda was mortally wounded, John as well as SGT Johnson and a few marines who were on the station escaped back to the Pillar of Autumn, and they jumped to slipstream-space to Halo shortly after. There, it is done... lol Again, anyone can read the last few chapters of 'the fall of reach' and verify this summary. With all that said, does this sound like the plot of Halo: Reach? Even a little? Of course not, because Halo: Reach is a rewrite and bastardization of a perfect plot that would have been one hell of a game all on its own... Leaving all of that aside, we have the Spartan-IIIs According to the book 'ghosts of onyx' the III program started in the year 2531, with candidates of ages six, doing the math, the oldest possible IIIs in existence would at oldest be twenty seven years old. When looking at Carters profile on Halopedia, we see that he is in fact thirty two years of age, this is impossible, not to mention that the first two batches of IIIs had all died off. Kat-B320 22 years old Emile-A239 29 years old Jun-A266 28 years old Impossible, all impossible, Kat is the only one old enough to even exist, and that in of itself is in question. I could drag on and on pointing out every single flaw in the very substance of Halo: Reach, but this alone is enough in any court of law for to exact a ruling. I would like to last mention that the armor they use is not even armor rated for IIIs the armor they use is refered to 'ghosts of onyx' but as I said im done at this point. With the conclusion of just what we see above, not even the fullest documentation of lies and insults to the fans, the destruction of integrate and well as the truest nature of the halo universe in the minds of countless fans around the world. I here by demand an official apology from those responsible, I want a public statement that the game Halo: Reach is not cannon, and is in fact a rewrite "fan-fiction" game, and has not sway or control over any plot material past present and future. Any questions or concerns with the evidence above I will be happy to explain and assist in any way I can, I want to make this fact as clear and understood for everyone as much as possible. Thank you.