Halo2Veteran

FFA otherwise known as SLAYER (yeah thats right, remember now? SLAYER was THE PLAYLIST back in the day, team slayer is just a VARIATION OF SLAYER) is really fun and should never have been removed. My one friend plays nothing but normal slayer......cept not anymore. Along these same lines; where have half of the playlists gone? What ever happened to Single flag? I want to take turns defending and attacking again. What ever happened to KING OF THE HILL? What ever happened to regular Oddball? Not team oddball but FFA Oddball. WHERE THE HE11 IS ASSAULT!?! Why is there no bomb game at all? Its not even available as a custom game offline. Why is griffball not at least in a playlist you could find like in halo 3 and in halo reach? And about King of the hill...where did it go? Why did you remove it from online? I know some people whome king of the hill was their favorite. Also, 343, you do remember that there are armor unlocks that are only unlocked by playing king of the hill right? So basically you are saying we had our chance to unlock it earlier and now its gone? Is it because of its lower population? Is that going to be a habbit? Deleting playlists when the player number drops to a certain point? So I have to be scared that you might remove Oddball, my favorite playlist, if the population number ever drops below a certain ammount? Will you remove team regicide, the second lowest populated game? What about flood? Not as many people playing that. If the population lowers will you remove that too? No of course not, because Flood is a fun game and even if less people are on it you know that a fun uneque game setting like Flood should always be available for players if they want.....(just like every other gametype)

everyone should start throwing the ball more. Holding the ball for a few extra seconds when your about to die is sometimes not as valuable as throwing the ball down a hallway towards friends or up on a structure so you can respawn and jetpack back up to it. Sometimes throwing the ball to a safer location and then sprinting to get away from the enemy and then pick it back up at the safer spot can allow you to hold onto the ball in situations where you would usually have it taken from you. Also, has ayone else noticed that when someone beatsdown the ball carrier and then instantly auto picks up the ball it looks just like a cartoon when people are fighting over something and then run back and forth snatching it from each others hands? lol

the grenade button. throw it like a grenade. dont be afraid to ask questions. Thats what bungie used to say. Thats how you get better

Time to stop bitchen and complaining about things you think 343 did wrong, and time to talk about something 343 got absolutly right. With the scattershot blast of changes method your bound to end up getting something right, and heres one: I'm talken oddball baby. Oddball is way, way better now thanks to 343 and im mega happy with it. Auto pickup and the ability to throw the ball has turned what was once a midicre game of keep away or smear the qw33r, into some crazy intense form of Rugby but with guns and grenades instead of elbows and fists

What are you talking about? Halo is very uneque. I wasnt saying FF is what makes it uneque bit its definatly part of it. Motion radar is part of what makes this game uneque. The sheild system is part of what makes it uneque.This game has its own gameplay style that is very uneque. I dont understand how you dont see that "lets be honest most players arent careful and the rest charge in" Have you ever played Halo 2, 3, or reach? People are not accedentally betraying their teammates every five seconds. You dont hear the announcer scream BETRAYAL the entire game. People ARE that careful. Go play halo 3 right now and you will see people getting by just fine. Trust me, I do it all the time. Play BTB on standoff. 16 players starting in 2 bases facing right at each other, right next to each other by only a few yards. According to your logic, you would think that with that many players on such a small map, everyone would just charge all over the place and throw grenades and everyone would be killed by teammates all the time. But what you acctually will see, Starring off the match you might notice that everyone chucks grenades at the opposite side and into the middle AND THEN people charge into the middle. People actually wait for grenade berages before they blatently walk forward, those that dont, die because they were stupid and then learn to avoid grenades later. Those halo 3 players are doing just fine even with 16 players on the smallest BTB map in history. And we've all played either reach or 3, accidental betrayals are not a plague that ravashes every matchmaking game like you make it sound. It happens every so often and isn't a big deal. Just get over it and play, don't whine about it to the point that features get removed to dumb the game down. "And one final thing, "realism"? Are you forgetting that this is a sci-fi game" What a terrible argument, and whats worse is that I've been hearing that same terrible argument ever since Halo 2. This isnt about weather or not space aliens exist. This has nothing to do with the story or universe or any of that. What? So once you introduce a fantastical concept like aliens, then all reality and physics just get thrown out the window? I think I prefer to play Halo with gravity. No i didnt forget that fact, it just has nothing to do with this Lets just pretend this does have something to do with the fiction aspect of the game. How can a man widthstand getting hit by a 102mm High-Explosive Anti-Tank round to the face and live? Its highly explosive isn't it? Doesnt seem very explosive to me. I shot 5 guys with it and they all were fine, they didnt even notice. How does the explosion know whos on my team and who isn't? And then how does it protect those teammates from the explosion? Does it work like a regenerator for a split second only in the area where they are standing? What are the physics of these explosives?

BTB heavies would be nice. Having a Tank vs Mantis fight like they showed in the Ragnerok Trailer would be nice. Throw a Missle launcher hog in their too just for kicks

Waterworks and Relic. Anything else would be cool but those are my choices. I also liked Terminal and Turf as well

NOBODY HERE WANTS FF SO THEY CAN TROLL. EVERYONE HAS BEEN VERY CEAR ABOUT THAT. SHUT UP. YOU ARE NOT CONTRIBUTING ANYTHING TO THIS DISCUSSION BY ARGUING AGAINST VIEWPOINTS WE DONT HAVE. THAT IS WHAT IS KNOWN AS A STRAWMAN ARGUMENT. GO GOOGLE IT AND DONT COME BACK We want realism back, we want the uneque gameplay halo has always had vs other games, we want the sandbox environment back. Removing freindly fire doesnt make this a sandbox anymore. A missle is no longer an explosive device. It is a line of code that has special rules that say it kills some people and not other people. An atom bomb that has the ability to blow up a city but leaves special designated people alive even in ground zero. It makes it work like a mainstream game like Battlefeild or call of duty where people are ok with getting headshots by shooting through 3 teammates and killing the enemy on the other side of them. I was playing CTF yesterday and went to slash a guy with a sword to protect my flag, my teammate accidentally sniped me right in the face as i slashed the guy because he was going for a headshot. You are ok with letting that kind of fun play go away? Nobody has to be careful anymore? Nobody has to pay any attention to their teammates and their location? So team play becomes entirley unnecicery. You would be ok with making this game less uneque? Less of an open world? You are ok with becomming weaker and less skilled because you no longer have to hold your fire for friendlies? Do you just love grenade spamming or something?

Halo reach is what braught Halo OUT of mlg......also dont call anyone you disagree with a troll. It makes you look like you dont know how to debate competently

That problem has never happened.....so you want to fix a problem that has never exhisted?

What about in Halo 3 on valhala, the Spartan laser always spawns on the middle hill. In a banshee I can watch that exact spot and banshee bomb anyone that goes near that spot keeping me airborn the whole game. In Halo 4 someone else can order a personal ordnance spartan laser and take care of me. (this actually happened by the way) So theres that upside.

How about you set your primary weapon to the close quarters weapon you want, like the assault rifle, and then pick up the br or dmr off of someones dead body. Everyone uses a br or dmr, so if you equip an assault rifle you can switch your pistol out for one of those weapons pretty quickly. Its less likely the other way where you equip a br or dmr, you wont find all that many assault rifles on the map. You could try that out mate.

greifers wont go away, they just change their tactics. Now that team killing is gone, they resort to destroying vehicals. That is a fact. Now its not just a dispute between 2 players, now the whole entire team is being sabatoged. The mantis or banshee getting blown up in the start of a match devistates that team. Now the griefers dont just bother one person, they effect the whole team and ultimately the match.

you can't spam a gun. Go kill yourself

If friendly fire was disabled i wouldnt have to kill greifers? Did you just reply to a topic without reading the original post? "At least half of the time I get into a Mantis, Banshee, Gauss Hog, Scorpion...hell, even Mongooses; my jealous teammates plasma pistol me, melee my vehicle, and throw nades on me and blow up my vehicles. And there's no consequence." Greifers still exhist and are even worse now because they can destroy the mantis or warthog and even the Mantis with all its missles and stomping power can do absolutly nothing but just stand there while the greifers shoot it and blow it up just because they didnt get in the Mantis. And then Im the one who gets into a ghost and teamkills them with the only thing I have left, splattering. So friendly fire IS disabled and there are STILL greifers and so I STILL HAVE TO KILL GREIFERS. So thats the first part of what you said that doesnt make any sense. Then you said you would be ok with sticking a teammate who runs into a room and comes out unharmed, I got that. but then you said: "If that teammate didn't take any damage, then that would NOT be okay" Well he didn't take any damage, It was your grenade and you are on his team. That grenade point blank stuck on his face left him unharmed because hes on your team. So he didnt take any damage from it...so its not ok? I think you made a mistake in your rantings because you just agreed with me at the same time as telling me im wrong

It isnt overpowered. It just works differently. Just listen to the names of the 2 rifles in question: BATTLE rifle, designated MARKSMAN rifle. The battle rifle up close has a bit of an advantage because once your enemy thave no sheilds left, any one of the 3 shots that gets shot out can make that last headshot. So you can spray in the general direction of the targtet and as long as the crosshair lands on their face any time before that final bullet comes out in the burst you get a headshot. With the designated MARKSMAN rifle, you have to land that final shot manually yourself each time. you have to preform like a marksman and take presision shots at your enemy to be effective. If you miss even once and fail to be a marksman for even just that second, you can get destroyed. You are relying on your ability as a marksman. If you cant hit some guy whos bouncing all around you, then really any weapon could take you out. The battle rifle has more room for error. You could miss the first 2 bullets and land the last one for a headshot. You could be shooting a falling guy and as he falls downwards pull the trigger of your battle rifle hitting him with one bullet to the legs, one to the body and then one final shot to the head killing him. It just works differently man. And they also both take the same ammount of body shots to kill. The light rifle is a combo between the 2 different weapons utilising both functions of 3 shot when unscoped like the battle rifle and single shot prescision shooting like the marksman rifle. And the covenant carbine is uneque in being fast but weak but killing at the same rate. None of them are overpowered, they are just differently powered. They all have benifits in there own uneque way. Its the users personal prefrence

So I've noticed something. I have never gotten a sword in big team battle even once. It isn't just that though. I have never been killed by one, nor have I ever even seen one on the map or in anyones hands since the game came out. Big team battle players dont get to use the sword. Then I was reminded of something 343 said before the game came out: "The items that spawn in ordnance drops are going to be set specifically so that nothing that doesnt make sence for the map will spawn" So this means that they determined that the sword being a close quarters weapon in their eyes would no make sence on big team battle maps and therefore players will be denyed access to it.....even though the gravity hammer which requires you to get even closer is still available......and the shotgun...... I want my sword on Ragnerok please.

Its a huge deal. I watched this happen once: Guy picked up a rocket, he zooms in on an enemy. Hes about to shoot, a teammate walks carelessly right in front of his face because hes also going for the kill. The rocket goes off, blows up on the teammate causing the guy with the rocket to commit suicide. The teammate who is the one who actually messed up and carlessly walked in front of him had absolutly no reprecussions, no consequences for his mistake and didnt even notice that he just killed his own teammate and continued on to get the kill. Lucky him. Also you all love to complain about grenade spamming, well its even worse now that people cant hurt their teammates. Is that why it is? Because people would be killing each other to take their personal ordanace? Yeah sure, that might happen. But then why not have a slayer gametype that isnt Infinity slayer that just uses the normal map ordinace...you know...like they said they were going to do before the game came out. Why isnt there infinity slayer, and regular slayer? They litterally said that they were going to do that months before the game came out.

The booting system was fine. Theres nothing wrong with it. And I also told you that I dont just outright kill anyone "just for fun" I kill greifers.You know those people the OP was complainig about who plasma pistol his mantis and destroy it....those people who still exist and still greif all the time. I kill those people. But if you mean I enjoy that, then yes, i enjoy that very much. So you are saying that you are ok with the scenario i layed out? You are playing dominion and your entire team is capturing one base. One guy from the enemy team runs in the base and is in the middle of all of them. One guy from your team decides to jetpack and fire a rocket into that base just to kill that one guy because hes about to get a killing spree even though his whole team is in there and can take care of him, and he gets the kill. You would be ok with that? You would be ok with him firing a rocket streight into his own teammates in order to get one kill. And I'm guessing you would also be ok with someone throwing a plasma nade on his teammates head as he sprints into a room blowing up the enemies inside and leaving his teammate unharmed. You would be ok with sticking your teammate on the face as a tactic.

BRING BACK BETRAYALS. I think 343 did a great job with this game and introduced some fantastic changes, but this isnt one of them. Nobody should be able to take a direct rocket to the face and live. I dont care if you are on my team. When I play big team battle in halo 4 and people run in front of my crosshair, I still hold fire for them to walk by. When my teammate sprints down a hallway full of enemies, I still restrict my grenade throwing so as not to hit them. 343 described halo as a sandbox. I dont really agree, but if you are going to call it a sandbox then why would you destroy some of the open world element of the game? It really takes my out of the experience when I accidently hit my teammate with a tank round point blank and he doesnt even notice, but the explosion off of his invicable body damages my tank. Even games that already have that mechanic like Battlefield and call of duty all also introduce a hardcore mode with team killing for more experience players who dont just want to skillessly dump ammo and explosions down a hallway full of teammates and not harm a single one. Team killing by accident is a vital part of the halo experience. Being careless with grenades and rockets should still have concequences. Now, about team killing on purpose. You know that annoying guy who shoots at you just because you picked up the sniper rifle he wanted? You know that guy who shoots at the warthog because he selfishly wanted a ride? I kill them for you. I kill anyone on my team who needs to be put back in line. I'm the one who comes out of nowere to defend your right to snipe. I team kill all the time and have gotten very good at it which is more dificult then regular killing because there is no auto aim or lunge function. You have to show those greifers whos boss. And the greifers have not been stopped, you can't stop them and you cant stop me from going after them. Now greifers can do so much more damage because instead of killing you, they can destroy your teams vehical without you doing anything about it besides splatter them. And good luck with that if they have a plasma pistol I got into a game where some guy was being a jerk and so I started going after him with mongeese hitting him. We absolutly hated each others guts but we couldnt hurt each other with our guns. Only with vehicals. So we just kept getting into our teams vehicals and harassing each other and attepting to splatter one another while the other one shoots, damages blows up, and destoys the other ones vehical. So we are repeatedly getting in the warthog when it spawns and then the other one plasma nades it and blows it up and then he takes the teams mantis so the other one plasma pistols it and wrecks it with grenades just to annoy him. And it went back and forth like this the entire game, because I hated him and he hated me and nothing was going to change that. The whole time we are completley sabatoging our team because we were grabbing all the vehicals and then destroying them at our own base and also grabbing power weapons like the sniper rifle to use them to destroy each others mantis or banshee or whatever. Just us 2 guys completly ruined the whole game for our entire team. The game was a landslide defeat. It could have been as simple as one of us kills the other, he kills him back and so on untill one gets booted and the game can continue for everyone else. But no, the whole game got ruined for the rest of our team just because 2 guys had a bit of a quarrel. Not having team killing is unaccaptable. I've attempted to try not to go into extremes with this but it really is unacceptable. You shouldnt be able to fire a rocket into a room packed full of your entire team and one enemy and get rewarded with the kill with no concequences of killing your entire team by being retarded.....which is exatcly what happened. No spartan should be able to take a rocket or tank round directly to the face without modding. Its a shame because big team battle is my absolutle favorite playlist, but for at least right now I can't play it like that. Im just going to play objective games. And to tell you the truth, I really dont want to play objective games unless its a big team battle objective game.

wow i cant take the tard-dom could someone who playd HALO 2 with me and is also upset with the recent removal of ammo please leave a comment so we can help give posotive constructive criticisim before the game comes out. The ultimate goal is that Halo 4 is as a succesfull title as Halo 2 was and does not feel like a rush job like Halo 3 felt like

playing halo wars doesnt not make you noob son

do not try to talk about peoples lives when I dont even have an avatar and you have an entire signature froma cliched line in halo wars son.

I never said anything about my skill "bud" but im just laying it out there...if you were oblivious to the ammo boxes (like the one near the warthog spawn in turf) then people like me used to whipe our asses with people like you back in 2005 and then tea bag your corpse gleefully

It has nothing to do with your point of view dear, I am not an unfair person. I have no clue why you think this. I called you a noob becuase even a noob knows about ammo crates in halo 2. It was litterally in every level. (pop your Halo 2 disk into your xbox system and take a look around the maps. Look at each side in Foundation that doesnt contain turrets. Take a look in beaver creak where the oversheild spawns. take a look in coagulation in "the rocks") dont know what "the rocks" means? THEN YOU ARE A FRIGGEN NOOB. DEAL WITH IT