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Fair? Really, we're going to get into the "fair" argument now? Don't get me started on this one.
mikeyr, tell me, before the removal of Uncaged and Pinnacle, what maps did you play on the most? I'm assuming it was the two in question, correct? On average, how many votes did they get? I know when I played SWAT and those two maps appeared, it was typically 4, maybe 5 votes. And typically, all of those votes came from one team knowing the spawns on the map favor them.
Hey fzdw11 my apologies for not getting back to you sooner it's been a busy last few days. I did happen to look at your profile and saw that you are located in PA? Where are you from? I was born in NJ and then when I was 15, my family and I moved to a suburb of Reading, PA and to this day my parents still live there. I went to Penn State way back when and have lived on the other side of the state near Pittsburgh a few times as well. But I'm in NC right now where the weather is a lot better LOL!
Now onto your questions. Quite honestly I don't think I played any sort of map the "most" it was all a good mix for me. Sure I loved Pinnacle and Uncaged, and voted for them often. I generally had good games on Pinnacle and Uncaged, so of course I voted for them often. Quite honestly I never ever voted once based on "oh I'm getting spawned red or blue", I just liked those maps. Sword Base and Countdown are pretty fun as well. For the average game player, spawning on red or blue on ANY map is just not a big deal. Each and every Swat map has it's quirks and problems. Pinnacle and Uncaged were no different than say Asylum, which is a spawn killing hell map. Why did they remove those two maps and not Asylum? Or Powerhouse and Boardwalk, which to me is the WORST board for Swat because it plays so slow. Removing those maps, and then especially giving us nothing in return, make no sense at all.
As for them not letting the general SWAT community know, well that's the communities fault, not 343's. They did let people know. If you didn't know about the monthly updates and the announcement a few days prior to it, well then shame on you. Now you do know, and now you'll know to check it out.
I totally and most definitely disagree with this statement above! I had no idea that Halo Reach was even updated every month. NONE! I bet the majority of the people that play Halo don't even know that it gets updated monthly. Where was some sort of warning page that 343I could have inserted into the map selection process saying something like "hey we are getting ready to adjust the playlist....tell us what you think!" There was nothing. In fact, when those maps were removed, there was even no warning that they were gone, all us Swat players were just left to wonder where the heck those maps went! To me that is HORRIBLE customer service.
But no matter how much you argue, complain, revolt, etc. against this decision, 343 doesn't make these changes lightly. There was thought put into it, and not just because a "vocal minority" was listened to. If they took them out, they had a reason for it. Plain and simple. The chances of them coming back are slim to none at this point. If you want something to be done about it, then complain hard and loud over at the Waypoint forums, but don't focus your attention on getting these two maps back, because chances are they won't do it. Focus on getting two (or more) NEW maps added to the game type.
I disagree yet again, I don't think 343I thought this out all the way through. So let's see their though process:
1. We decide to remove 2 very popular maps. We did this based on, well I'm not sure. People whining about those two maps? They were surely enjoyed by a majority of the players because they were chosen over and over again!
2. We won't replace these maps with anything.
3. Swat becomes somehow better with less map choices? Playing the same two maps over and over again is fun? So few map choices will bring more players to Swat?
Since it seems you supported removing these two maps, I'd love to hear from you how you think Swat is now better with these two maps gone and none to replace them. I play Swat almost exclusively and I can tell you for a fact it is now super-repetitive to be playing Reflection and Asylum over and over again. How is removing two maps and replacing them with nothing a good idea? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this because to me it makes no sense!
One thing we CAN agree on is that Swat
NEEDS MORE MAPS!!!!
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Hey fzdw11 thank you for your feedback I will respond back to you tomorrow. It's getting late and I'm bushed.
For everyone else, there is a thread on halo waypoint requesting that Swat be updated. The link is:
http://halo.xbox.com/Forums/yaf_postst80526_Halo-Reach-SWAT-needs-to-be-updated.aspx
If everyone that reads this thread can go over to the link above and comment, it will allow 343I to really hear from the general Swat community. Thanks in advance!
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I appreciate the work that 343 are putting in to these monthly updates, but I am still very disappointed that there are no new maps for SWAT.
^^^^^^ THIS
343 Industries where are our the new maps for Swat? You removed two very popular maps last month and replaced them with nothing.
WE NEED NEW MAPS!!
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As far as I know, these decisions were made based off of the opinions of the waypoint forums, and none other than our forums. Me, being one of the ones wanting the removal of these maps. Pinnacle was a nightmare for spawn killing, and I could say reletively the same for uncaged. These maps were both unfair for certain teams, which is what led to their disposal. Also, whether you and some others like it or not, they will most likely be not making a return. This was what the masses wanted, and it will stay that way.
So what you are saying is that a small but vocal minority complained loud enough to get these maps removed? Even though these maps were popular during the voting selection? As well as these maps were removed without any forewarning of the general Swat community? And the worst is that these maps were replaced with well ummmm.......nothing? How is that fair? These maps were enjoyed by the majority of Swat players! How do I know that you ask? Because they were chosen time and time again during the map selection process!!! That's all that should matter, no small minority should override the wishes of the majority. People liked these maps and removing them without any adequate notification is just wrong. Period.
Great please I've been looking for someone that supports removing these two maps. Please explain to me how you think that removing two maps from a very limited map selection process makes the Swat game better? And may I ask are you a hard-core Swat person? That's pretty much the only thing I play in Reach, so playing the same two maps (Reflection and Asylum) gets old very quick. I used to play 4-5 times a week, and now? I've played once I think in a month. Swat no longer has any interest for me playing the same stupid maps over and over again. If you are a hard-core Swat player, you will know that 2 fewer maps makes the game become very repetitive very quickly.
We need those maps back (easiest option) or new ones to replace them. Or something because I for one have lost all interest in fighting over the hall in Reflection or getting spawn killed continuously in Asylum.
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Unfortunately, the May update is here, and there is no change to SWAT. I highly doubt anything is going to change, regardless of how many people you can make agree with you. If you only play SWAT, and you want these maps back, you may be out of luck.
Hi fzdw11 I have a tendency to agree with that. BUT it never hurts to make your voice heard. Hey maybe 343 Industries will get a clue and give us these maps back or some cool new ones! It never hurts to try right!
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Please bring back Pinnacle and Uncaged in Swat. The spawn camping can happen in any of the maps. The worst thing with Halo at all is the red and blue. Red is at a disadvantage every map due to blue blending in. Make the colors dark purple and blue since about every map is dark toned and usually with blues and purples. Also as mentioned before please remove the combat text from the reticle when playing 4 people on a console. Remove the commendations boxes that block the screen and when a player quits please take the giant blue or red box off the screen when the game starts up again. It's hard to see your reticle.
Please put the maps back.
Please in Halo 4 implement a voting system that works.
Oh I almost forgot... If you want to remove a swat map. Remove power station. I like it fine but no one plays it for the most part. I've won and lost plenty on Pinnacle and Uncaged and just now brought my KD to 800 kills over deaths so I've been spawn killed enough but those are 2 of the best maps in swat. I continue to play swat because of maps like these, not reflection which is a hallway brawl. Boo on whoever did this.
Here's an idea. Make an elitist change like this and put it in the MLG section. Not under normal Swat.
Use your head. I pre-ordered Halo 4 but these changes are not encouraging. Do the right thing 343.
Thanks
^^^^^ THIS!!!!!
343 Industries are you listening to your current customer base?
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I hated these maps, glad they are out. To easy for spawn camping, though asylum needs the boot too
So Azaxx you'd rather have like 4-5 map choices and play the same game over and over again? Doesn't that get boring quick? I'd rather have those maps than not. I'd like some new ones too! Yeah I know I'm asking a lot!
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Where are the new maps for Team Swat? So we are stuck playing the very few selections again? WTF???????
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I hate Asylum so much, i miss incaged!
Dude you and me both! I'm so sick of playing game after game of Asylum or Reflection I just want to break my Halo disc every time I see those two choices popup! :thumbdown:
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Where did these maps go did 343 take it off the playlist? Map choices on swat are very small a guess what it got smaller. I like to play swat you your weapons and skill no radar,armor lock,jet pack etc etc. Bring back these maps please.
Hi Ruffcutt thanks for your input I feel the same exact way, so I created that thread above that fzdw11 quoted. Also, there is a thread on this subject on the halo waypoint site, specifically here:
http://halo.xbox.com/Forums/yaf_postst69428_Pinnicle-and-Cage-removed-from-swat.aspx
You might want to voice your opinion there and thanks for your feedback!
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This type of decision is honestly making me consider cancelling my pre-order for Halo 4, if they make awful decisions like this as minor game tweaks then what kind of horrible choices will they inflict on us when they have their hands on the game pre-publishing?
Okapi I cannot agree with you more! Because I'm bored to death with Swat now, I've played like once in 3 weeks and that's it. I used to play 4-5 times a week, but I just can't pick the controller up and face yet another game of Reflection or Asylum. I played the night before and played 7 games: 3 reflections, 2 Asylums, 1 Sword Base, and 1 Boardwalk magnums (yeah that was horrible).
343 Industries we need some proper map choices!
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I agree - Thank you 343 for removing two great maps and limiting the variety players have with their map choices. Not to mention removing two maps that actually promote DMR usage.
And everyone on here that commented on the atrociousness of spawn killing on Asylum - that BS is going to make me stop playing this game entirely. Every other map is Asylum, and it is nothing but sitting in the opposing teams spawn. Where is the talent in that? Where is the enjoyment when I can not take a step before I am being assasinated or dealing with two different enemies firing an entire clip four feet from me.
What 343 SHOULD have done was fix the spawn parameters on these maps. It is rediculous when I spawn next to an ally who is in a firefight with 3 members of the opposing team, or when I spawn 3 feet from an enemy. I do not recall those issues with Halo 2 or 3, especially on Swat maps. Shame on Bungie for being lazy with their multiplayer code and allowing this BS in the first place, but also shame on 343 for removing map options instead of fixing the real problem.
My thoughts exactly......either those problems with the spawn points should have been fixed or some new maps added! We need more Swat choices, not less!
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I agree 100% bring back Pinnacle & Uncaged!!! I'm sick of Reflection already!
Thank you Pirat1690.........my thoughts exactly! I can only take so much Reflection, after about the 5th game of it in a row I feel like throwing my XBOX out the window!!!!!!!!!
Please 343 Industries give us those maps back or new ones to replace those maps. We are all eagerly awaiting the May update!
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If you really want these maps back you should go to the waypoint forums and post this here, waypoint is the official site.
I've already done that!
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Good man. I'm the same way. Feel free to friend me on XBL under this same username. I'm thinking those of us who have been burned by this extremely bad decision should get together for some custom gaming or something.
That would be fine by me!!! Geran85 I think I added you already....anyone else, my gamer tag is mikeyr1968........feel free to add me and look me up!
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343 should replace them with user submitted maps, something new
Thank you again Cupman for your feedback. I agree with you 100%, I'd love to see some cool new maps for Swat, whether they be from 343 Industries or user-generated maps. But I would think that 343 Industries has Halo 4 in their sights now and would want to spend minimal time on Halo:Reach, so creating new maps or testing maps from user submission would probably be a waste of valuable resources.
So why not just give us Pinnacle and Uncaged back into the playlist? This would probably be the easiest and simplest solution!
GIVE US OUR SWAT FUN BACK!!!!!!
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And remember guest users please please sign up to voice your opinion on getting these maps back....that's the only way 343 Industries will know what the Swat community is thinking about the removal of these maps!
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While there are a good portion of people that are in agreement with you, you have to keep in mind what you just stated. "Without any sort of user opinion other than a few people complaining about these maps on the internet?" How many different people are in this thread, and of the whole population of SWAT, what does it make us? Less than 1% would be my guess.
I loved the maps, but I can understand them being gone. My issue isn't that they took them away, but that they took them away without replacing them. That's more problematic than just taking out two maps.
Also, welcome to the forums!
Thank you again fzdw11 for you comments. But your comments prove my point exactly. You stated :
How many different people are in this thread, and of the whole population of SWAT, what does it make us? Less than 1% would be my guess.
I would say less than 1%, probably way less actually. So the original idea to remove these maps was made by just a few people on this forum compared to the overall Swat player population. How is that fair to the average Swat player who enjoys these maps? Wait how do I know that? BECAUSE THEY WERE CHOSEN TIME AFTER TIME during the map voting selection process. This is the only thing that should matter! If people didn't like these maps, they wouldn't have chosen them during the map selection process. Like for instance all those odd games like Swat Potato or Capture the Flag or whatever it's called. How often are those chosen? Once in a blue moon from what I've seen.
Whether or not a few people on a small part of the internet like or do not like these maps should not matter. If these maps were not being chosen during the map selection process, then sure remove them. But they were! A few squeaky wheels on the internet should not affect the Swat gaming experience for the vast majority of players who enjoy those maps. And since these squeaky wheels DID get these maps removed, then our only option to get these maps back is too squeak louder and longer. So johnstevens point is valid in my opinion.
So these maps were removed and replaced with well um nothing. I'd love for 343 Industries to come out with some new maps, but I figure they have Halo 4 on the brain, so that's probably a no-go. The Swat experience has been crippled with a lack of maps. I for one want to hit myself over the head with a bat every time I see yet another game of Reflection or Asylum. Other users have very clearly said the same, well not hitting themselves over the head with bat, but you get my point.
Please 343 Industries consider putting those maps back into the playlist, or even some new maps!
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I cannot speak for the rest of Halo. I've read this thread and have no idea what "bloom", TU or vanilla Reach is. I pretty much play Swat full time with a very small mix of FF in to get a daily challenge or three. All that I really care about is that during the last update, Pinnacle and Uncaged, two very popular maps, were removed with no notification to the average Swat player. So for me, I'm stuck playing Asylum and Reflection a good 80% of the time, with a scattering of Countdown, Zealot and Sword Base thrown in. This gets old very quickly and I for one want to bang my head against the wall after about the 10th game in a row of Reflection! :wallbash:
The OP asked "Is 343i ruining Halo:Reach?" Based on my Halo:Reach experience, I'd have to say yes unfortunately. Removing those maps AND giving us no new ones makes the Halo:Reach Swat experience no fun anymore. I haven't played much since the update and I bet a lot of people feel the same way.. Playing the same maps over and over again becomes tedious and well, I honestly have better ways to waste my time.
If anyone feels the same, in the Halo:Reach forum I have a thread titled "Bring back Pinnacle and Uncaged in Team Swat!!!!". Please comment on that to help try and bring back those maps so we can get our Swat fun back!
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No 343 did it for a reason, pinnacle and uncaged were a spawn killing fest. No smartass listened to 'wingers' everyone has a right to express their opinion weather you agree to it or not, i will agree though, minus 2 maps is never a good thing, they should replace them
Hi Cupman thank you for your feedback. I agree 100% that everyone has a right to express their opinion(s) in a respectful manner, whether you agree with them or not. So here's mine.
No maps in Swat are perfect every map has their problems. You said you don't like Pinnacle or Uncaged "because there were a spawn killing fest." Asylum is by far worse than Pinnacle or Uncaged ever were for spawn killing. So why was Asylum left and Pinnacle and Uncaged removed? I personally didn't think Pinnacle or Uncaged were any worse than any other map in Swat for spawn killing and others have stated that same thing. So your argument becomes invalid.
My basic problem with the process 343 Industries used to remove these maps is that they listened to some small vocal minority on the internet without informing the larger Swat community that this was going to happen. Where was a warning notification that these maps were being considered for removal? Where was anything that said these maps were being considered for removal? The larger Swat community liked these maps because they were popular during the map voting selection process! That's really all that should matter. The vocal minority over-ruled the majority of Swat player who enjoyed playing those maps from the day of Halo Reach release.
Another problem I have with this is that ok so let's remove those maps and then what? Not put anything to replace them? This decision was not very well thought out. Now we are stuck continuously playing Reflection and Asylum over and over again. It's get old quick, in fact I haven't played much this week because the thought of playing 10 games in a row of Reflection makes me want to gouge my eyeballs out with a hot poker.
A number of people have in this thread registered to voice their opinion that the Swat game is no longer fun. Playing the same maps over and over again with so little variety? No thanks I think I will pass.
I think I can speak for the majority of people that voiced their concerns on this thread. We want those maps back in the May update or some cool new ones. The lack of variety in map selection is killing the Swat gaming experience.
Or we will go and find other games to play...........
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I see a lot of guest users viewing this thread....please feel free to signup for this website and comment if you want to bring back these maps to Swat. It takes all of like just a couple of minutes and if quite honestly, even if you HATED Pinnacle and Uncaged on Swat, you should want to see these maps back just because they add some needed variety to the Swat playlist!
So please voice your opinion!!!!
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While I do see that there is unbalanced gameplay on Pinnacle and Uncaged, I can honestly say that they should have removed Asylum.
If one of the criteria for removal of Pinnacle and Uncaged was that there was a lot of spawn killing in these maps, then Asylum should have been removed as well. Asylum is far worse than Pinnacle and/or Uncaged for spawn killing. But then again, you remove Asylum along with Pinnacle and Uncaged and it gives the Swat player even less choices! Let's not do that, if anything we need MORE maps for Swat!
Also, for probably a majority of the Swat players, in my opinion, the unbalanced game play of Pinnacle and Uncaged just doesn't exist. We are simply not that good enough to factor any sort of small benefit you might gain if you spawn one color or the other. Sure if you are like a MLG'er, yeah spawning on one color or another on a particular map might give you an advantage.
Let's face it you can nit-pick to death ANY map in Swat.....no map is perfect. To remove ANY map and not replace it with another makes no sense. The Swat player is then just left such a limited selection of maps to chose from as to make the game virtually unplayable! I for one am tired of playing Reflection and Asylum but that's all I'm left to choose! :wallbash:
GIVE US OUR SWAT FUN BACK!!!!!
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As I have posted in another thread:
"It's not just that Uncaged and Pinnacle were my two favourite maps for SWAT that makes this update a negative one for me; It's also that you've now removed any level of variety from the map selection. I've been stuck playing the same two maps repeatedly, to the point where I no longer find any enjoyment in playing at all. It's a constant cycle of people camping around the green lift room in Swordbase, or the top of the elevator in Reflection, meaning the whole game is spent within around 20 square feet of the given map. Not fun. Honestly, Uncaged and Pinnacle always received a good amount of votes to play. Why would those be slated for removal above something like Powerhouse which almost never got selected? If people didn't like the maps they wouldn't have voted for them, it's that simple. Please, PLEASE, consider giving us our SWAT fun back."
I cannot understand why two maps that were almost always the favourites in voting would be the ones to be removed. While I was playing SWAT the night that the update took place many people were asking why those two weren't showing up during the voting chats. The removal was noticed and immediatly people were saddened by the loss of variety in the game. Seriously, I know that if 343 was to put a second Team SWAT mode into play (which incuded Pinnacle and Uncaged) that there would be more than enough people playing it to keep it running, hey, I bet even if it was JUST Pinnacle and Uncaged there would still be decent traffic to that server.
^^^^^^ THIS!!!!!!
Yet again some registered for this forum to express their view that Pinnacle and Uncaged should be returned to the playlist. What really irks me is that this was done with no feedback from the general Swat community. There was no notification on the Swat map selection page that these maps were even being considered for removal. A small vocal minority got these maps removed without input from the larger Swat community. This is wrong! The larger Swat Community speaks every time a map is chosen during the map selection process, and since Pinnacle and Uncaged were very popular maps, this says that these maps were enjoyed by a majority of the players!
I think Okapi said it best (I'm going to steal this from you if you don't mind): GIVE US OUR SWAT FUN BACK!
Having a limited amount of selections on during the map selection process is not good. Period. We would like those maps back or give us some new cool ones......
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The thing is, with Pinnacle and Uncaged gone, they really should have replaced them with two new maps. But 343 is busy focusing on Halo 4 at the moment, and while I'm sure making minor tweaks to playlists should be fairly simple, they do need to take time out to test maps before adding them to a certain playlist. That's probably why we didn't see any replacements.
^^^^^^^^ THIS!!!!!
Thank you fzdw11 for your feedback. I would have had less of a problem with 343 removing Pinnacle and Uncaged (although I must admit they were my two favorite maps) IF they replaced them with something cool and better. But they did not, they just removed them and gave us.....well um nothing. Just less selections and the two same maps being chosen over and over again.
Swat for me is no fun anymore. We need these maps back or suitable replacements should be provided. I agree, 343 industries is probably way too busy with the Halo 4 release to give us new maps, so why not make the MAJORITY of your user base happy and give us those maps back?
Bring back "Pinnacle" and "Uncaged" in Team Swat!!!!
in Halo Reach
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Hey everyone,
The OP here. I really appreciate everyone taking the time out to voice their opinion on this subject. Do I think it's going to make a difference? Quite frankly, NO. I've been arguing that we need to bring these two maps back or give us some new ones for SWAT on this board and over on the HALO xbox boards for months now. 343 gave us SWAT players the finger, and you know what, I'm giving it right back to them. F'm. I used to be a 3-4 times a week SWAT player, but after the update that removed those two maps and left us with far fewer map choices, I've played just a handful of times, and probably not even once in the last month or so.
So keep up the good fight! I don't know if it will do any good, but 343 you have lost me a customer.