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^^^^^^^ THIS!!!!!!! Thank you TheLazyGirl for your feedback again. Like you, I play nothing by SWAT (honestly I never even completed the Reach campaign, in fact barely have played it) and quite frankly the thought of another Reflection or Asylum game makes me want to throw my controller through my TV. I honestly don't know how much more I can take of this. I like Sword Base, Zealot and Countdown as well, but they are not all that often shown in the selection playlist for me. For me, it's usually Reflection first selection round then Asylum second selection round. Or vice-verse. I can't stand Reflection either, and Asylum is definitely on my no-like list too so for me to continually play these maps over and over again is to say the least very disappointing. When there were more maps, those two didn't come up as often, so I was OK with it when they did. Like you, I'm thinking of quitting Reach because Swat is just no fun anymore. My best friend and I play this game for SWAT and that's it. I'm a Field Marshall and he is an Eclipse, all based on Swat for the most part. That's all we play and to continually play the same two maps again and again....well I have better ways to waste my time. Please 343 Industries, in the next update, can you please give us these maps back? I know you are super-busy with the upcoming Halo 4 release, but it should be easy to return those maps to the playlist. Can we get any feedback from you on this issue? My email is tied to my user name and I'd love to hear from someone! Supposedly these maps were removed based on user feedback. There have been many people taking the time to register to this forum and express their views that these maps need to be returned to make Swat fun again. If anyone is a true player of Swat, then they know that playing the same 2 maps over and over again is no fun at all. Please return those maps!

I agree with fzdw11 I play on a fairly large TV (50 inch) mostly by myself and it doesn't bother me. Now I have played at a friend's house on a 60 inch TV with 4 people split-screen and the feed definitely does interfere with game play. I agree there should be an option to remove the feed.

So last night I played 10 games of Swat: 8 Asylum or Reflections, 1 game of Arena Zealot, 1 game of Countdown. Pinnacle was no where to be seen. I can only take so much Reflection and Asylum before I quit playing Swat. So 343 Industries I'm pleading with you here: please give us either Pinnacle and Uncaged back or some new cool maps. I see a lot of views on this thread, so people don't be afraid to comment....if you want these maps back, please make your voice heard!

Hi DoctorB77, thanks for your feedback about bringing Pinnacle and Uncaged back to Swat. If you could please comment on my thread titled "Bring back Pinnacle and Uncaged to Team Swat!!!!" it would be much appreciated! I'm trying to get 343 Industries to listen to player feedback.

^^^^^^^^ THIS!!!!!!!! I could not have said it better myself. These maps were popular with the voting selection and should never have been removed. Period. As Okapi said, we want our Swat fun back. Supposedly these maps were removed based on user feedback. So here is some user feedback: return these maps or give us new ones. 343 Industries are you listening to your paying customers? Where is a 343 rep to defend/explain this decision? Okapi if you could please comment on my thread below listed "Bring back Pinnacle and Uncaged to Team Swat!!!!" it would be much appreciated!

So how exactly did you play Pinnacle on Swat just a few hours ago when it was removed in the April Update?

Hi Mr. Biggles thank you for your comment. My response to this is that I guess 343 Industries pre-warned the average Swat player that these maps were under consideration for removal correct? Probably by some sort of notification page being inserted into the Swat selection process? Or maybe an online poll of some sort? Or some other means they could have thought up. At least they warned the general Swat community so that the average Swat player could voice their opinion? I mean that just makes common sense. Obviously none of the above happened. As Geran85 stated below: The only thing that should matter is voting during the map selection process. If these maps were not being chosen because no one liked them, sure then I'm all for there removal. But that is not the case they were being chosen at every opportunity. Let the larger Halo Swat community decide which maps should stay or go (again based on map selection voting), not some small vocal minority group that just happens to know about this website. Ok I will give you another for instance. I personally can not stand Reflection I shudder every time it's chosen. I guess since I hate this map, I should start complaining on this forum to get it removed. I would suspect a few other people probably don't like it either, so they will chime in as well. So 343 industries, based on a small group of people speaking up and without even informing anyone else that this is even being contemplated, should remove this map and of course not replace it with anything else. Then we will have even less choices of maps to play Swat. And this somehow will bring more players to play Swat. Makes total sense right? Of course not it makes no sense! There are really no good arguments to removing these maps. I'm still waiting on a 343 Industries rep to explain on this thread why removing two very popular maps makes sense and will bring more players to Team Swat. Since 343 Industries listens/monitors this forum, I would hope they can also respond as well.

Anarchy, thank you for your reply. I think that's part of my problem with removal of these two maps, there were no "in with the new" as you say. These maps were removed and replaced with........well um nothing! And it seems the search algorithms were never modified to take into account that there are less maps to now choose from, so for myself, I always end up getting either Reflection/Asylum or Asylum/Reflection as choices and this gets old really quick. The other night I probably played 15+ games, and I bet I played only 2-3 non Asylum/Reflection games. After a while this is not fun! :thumbdown:

Since when and how is the average casual player of Swat supposed to know that these maps were even being considered for removal? XBOX Live reps didn't even know these maps were removed! Why not some sort of XBOX Live poll beforehand? I had no idea that this was about to happen, and if I did, I would have voiced my opinion a long time ago at the appropriate time. Without proper replacement maps provided this decision makes absolutely no sense at all, it literally cripples the Swat game that was already suffering from too few map choices to start with. Let's face it, the following maps in no particular order are probably played probably 95% of the time: 1. Sword Base 2. Asylum 3. Countdown 4. Reflection 5. Pinnacle (removed) 6. Uncaged (removed) So BulletStorm207 you are ok with the company removing 1/3 (2 of out 6) of the options for map selection for Swat? How does having less choices make the game better? If you don't like a particular map that's selected, why wouldn't you just drop out of the game before it even started? The popularity of Pinnacle and Uncaged speak for themselves among the normal players of Swat. We either need these maps returned to the normal selection process or give us adequate replacements. I personally loved both of those maps, so PLEASE return them to the selection rotation!

I guess my basic problem with 343 Industries removing the maps AND not replacing them with anything else is that is basically cripples the game like Geran85 said. I agree 100% with Geran85 in the fact that I had no idea that those maps were removed from Team Swat. I had no input on this decision or that these maps were being considered for removal. In fact, the way I found out was this: 1. I went on vacation for week or so and didn't log into to play at all while on vacation. 2. Came back and logged in April 4th for the first time in a week. 3. Played the next three days with a friend (as I usually do) and all we ever go to choose from was Asylum or Reflection. Or Reflection and Asylum. Very occasionally, Sword Base or Countdown would show up as a selection. It was maddening in the fact that Reflection and Asylum were probably shown as selections 90% of the time. 4. After playing probably 50 games of Swat, and not even seeing Pinnacle or Uncaged as a possible selection, I was wondering if something was wrong with my XBOX. 5. So I chatted with XBOX Live support. Twice in fact. First time they told me to delete my gamer tag, clear my cache, reboot, recover my gamer tag and that should bring the maps back. Of course that didn't work. 6. Next time I called after trying the above in 5. and they no other ideas. So basically that's when I started to look on the internet and lo-and-behold I found this website. So even XBOX Live had no idea about this occurring! All the arguments against these maps are invalid in my opinion: 1. "It's easy to camp-down Pinnacle and Uncaged": quite frankly the #1 camp spot in ANY map in Swat is the green lift room in Sword Base. Then the corners in the upper level of Countdown are popular camping spots too. So I guess those maps should be removed as well? And quite frankly what exactly is wrong with camping in general? Is this an invalid way to play the game? Different playing styles are somehow not allowed? I'm honestly not good enough to be running around like a tank killing people, but I still enjoy playing Swat! 2. "Blue or red spawn points in Pinnacle/Uncaged give one side an advantage": for probably 95% of the people playing Swat, this is a total non-issue. For the MLG people, sure if you spawn on Blue in Pinnacle you might be at a disadvantage (just an example here), but for the majority of the people, it doesn't matter where you spawn or what color you play. We just aren't that good enough to notice or take advantage of the situation. So the 95% of the people who enjoy those maps (because yes they are popular because they were being chosen), are penalized because a small but vocal minority complained about these maps? 3. "There is a lot of spawn killing in Pinnacle/Uncaged": there is spawn killing in EVERY board. In my opinion, Asylum is the worst at this fact. I vividly remember playing Asylum one time where I was spawn killed 6 times in a row! Mostly at the blue base in the rocks next to the base. It was like "spawn, die, spawn, die, spawn, die etc etc etc. It was crazy! So based on this argument, this board needs to go as well. So based on the above arguments, Sword Base, Countdown, and Asylum need to be removed as well. Leaving us with basically nothing to play? I agree with Geran85 totally, most people that play Swat had no idea that these maps were even considered for removal and had no input on this decision. So now we are left with a game where you have basically just two choices (Reflection or Asylum) and that gets old really quickly. I for one have literally no interest in playing Swat anymore because of the limited map selection. Is there a 343 Industries rep that monitors this board? I’d love to hear from them and have them explain that somehow removing two very popular maps from Swat and leaving their paying customers with very limited choices is good for business and bringing more players to play Team Swat. 343 Industries I'm waiting.........

I agree with Geran85 the Team Swat playlist is very short on playable maps to start with and then you went and removed probably two of the most popular maps? Really? Who thought of this decision? "Hey let's start with a mode that doesn't have enough playable maps to start with, remove two of the most popular ones, and this is a GREAT idea!" This is like a classic Dilbert moment. I mean seriously does 343 industries not want Team Swat to be played anymore? I for one will join Geran85 and boycott Team Swat from now on to play custom games. We need Pinnacle and Uncaged back and a few more new cool maps wouldn't hurt either!

Thanks for the feedback TheLazyGirl. I totally agree I've been absolutely spawn killed to0 many times to mention on Asylum. And if someone is complaining about all the camping being done in Pinnacle, what about the green lift room in Sword Base or the hallway in Reflection? Every map has its own quirks and camping spots. My basic point is that we now have 2 fewer choices to pick from. If you want to take away Pinnacle and Uncaged, replace them with something! I get very tired of playing Asylum and Reflection over and over again to the point where I don't even want to play Team Swat anymore! 343 industries are you listening to this? Is this what you want? No players playing Team Swat anymore? Having only a limited choices of maps makes Team Swat very repetitive which is NOT GOOD! Does anyone know of a way to contace 343 industries? An email address? Phone number?

So everyone playing Team Swat is happy to basically play just two maps, ie Asylum and Reflection with an occasional Sword Base or Countdown? Really I can't believe this is the case!

So that leaves us pretty much with two maps to play, either Asylum or Reflection? You always get one or the other on the initial selection screen, and then the other pops up on the next screen. You occasionally see Sword Base or Countdown and I'm not counting all the games like Swat Potato or the flag game because no one likes or even votes for them. If Pinnacle or Uncaged were so unpopular, then why did people consistently vote to play them? Is there anyone or somewhere we can go to complain about this? Or to voice an opinion that these maps should be returned?

So I was on vacation for the past week or so, and got logged back into Halo Reach to play me some Team Swat. For the past three days, the selections have been nothing but either "Asylum" or "Reflection", with a small scattering of "Sword Base" and "Countdown." I've probably played 50+ games in Team Swat and Pinnacle or Uncaged have never even been an option, which is disappointing because they are my two favorite maps. So I did a little digging and found out for some reason that the April update removed these maps? Why? Why remove choices from the consumer? I am HIGHLY disappointed in this decision. I know about all the arguments against these maps (spawn killing, etc) but if you don't like the maps, then don't vote for them, but at least give us the option to play them!! So now we are basically stuck with so few maps as to make the game almost unplayable. I can only take so much Reflection and Asylum over and over again it gets very repetitive quickly. I’m thinking of switching over to another game and not wasting my time on the 15th consecutive game of Reflection. How can we get these maps restored ASAP? Anyone with me? Or does everyone hate these maps too? Is there someone here we can discuss this with?