Baeztoberfest

Ill bet she does! Bazinga!

Captain Keyes would've been a better example.

Hey haven't played yet. Been pretty busy with work and all. It's been slavery lately dudes and dudettes. No lie, like 14 hour plus days. Y'all played it yet? How is it? (Is it even out yet...?) Whats different? Lets talk TU.

I was just going based on what I've seen from gameplay. I haven't read the books but did some wiki research and have been playing Halo since launch day of Halo CE. I have beaten every game numerous times with skulls on, legendary, solo, you name it. And everytime the humans just stomp every alien force we fight, not always with ease, but inevitably the lore behind the game seems a little biased? Arguably it's because that's the point of a video game and I'm assuredly looking WAY too deep into it. And I get what you are saying. I'm just having a hard time believing that. What happened to those Flood that had all that ancient human tech? And don't say killed with the firing of the Halo rings because if they can infest a Dyson sphere, they can survive. Not only that but just the sheer number of them... How did Humans live through the firing if the first rings and not Flood? How did Promo's lose with all their technological advancements like composers and halo rings? All we had was the Magnum, and assault rifle to go on. Haha. Really that's what we had. And we crushed them in Halo CE, and in Halo 3, three guys single handedly fought through hordes of Flood and devastated them. You're telling me Prometheans didn't have heroes of their own? Hell the Didact is more powerful than the chief and HE couldn't stop the Flood? Weapons aside he still has Jedi tricks that Chief doesn't have. Granted. I know they were devastated, I get that. I know the Flood were much more powerful than the ones we've fought in game. I get that. I just disagree that that's enough evidence how and entire civilization FAR MORE SUPERIOR to ours lost yet we won. No ammount of luck could tell that story. There has to be more to it. Maybe that will be answered in Halo 5 and 6? Who knows. But it makes me wonder... And I apologize ahead of time if I'm coming off argumentative that's not my goal at all. I'm merely enjoying a conversation about the three races versus the Flood and why each either failed or succeeded.

This whole topic has to have violated the code of conduct somehow... Lock this nonsense please. I know everyone is entitled to an opinion but not when it's meaningless unsupported by any fact whatsoever dribble used to slander other members. If you didn't read what people have to say about YOUR TOPIC, what does that say about you and how much your opinion is worth? Just saying. Please lock. /drops mic

Wait sorry being off topic but you can get PERFECTION IN NON SLAYER GAME TYPES NOW!? When did that change? When could you EVER get a perfection in a capture the flag!?

I find it happens most on SWAT on maps like Adrift and Haven. It's so annoying. It's like I can never push anyone but they can push me clear across a level. I'm not sure how those physics worked or why they were implemented to such a frustrating degree.

I can do lots of things at once! Like I can talk to Captain Lasky, I can flirt with Captain...

That's what I figured for the Hunters. I'd heard that a long time ago. Seems to me like even without the Halo rings those it would've been easy for the Promo's to compose the Flood inside their invincible fortress. The Flood (unless they capture a vessel) have no way to combat that kind of threat. It would've been so easy to just vaporize them.

Awesome. And the fact you described it as dumb luck kinda sums up my feelings toward it. I don't see the graveminds as a PLAN kinda species, more like eat everything in the galaxy kind of species. God forbid they ever mutate one of those dinosaur things on Reach... Lol. On a side note someone said Captain Del Gravemind on another thread... This made me LOSE IT WITH LAUGHTER! I still laugh at that. The idea of Del Rio becoming a Gravemind. But I will ask was that what was going on with Captain Keyes? Are there ever Flood Hunters? I've never seen Flood Grunts either, or Flood Jackals. Or Flood Drones... Scary stuff I'm sure, but it had to be dumb luck. How else did a handful of rag tag marines do what the forerunners couldn't? I'd like to visually see how that kind of fight would play out. In the third mission we saw covenant fighting Prometheans. In multiple occasions, the covenant always kick the crap out of the promo's. I mean sometimes when that scenario plays out the promo's win. But that's rare. Would love to see Flood versus Promo. I mean Flood beat the crap out of Covenant in CE. Halo CE is the only game where the Flood are portrayed as being FEARED. And for a VERY OFF TOPIC SIDE NOTE... Would be cool to see a Gravemind prophet from Halo 3. I think it was Regret that the Arbiter killed at the end of Halo 3? Well what if The Flood reanimated the Prophets body into a Gravemind? That would be a creepy adversary.

I'm not saying I doubt you but did it actually say she was the XO to Lasky? I don't remember this.

Lol. Why act like I didn't know that? I saw that there were ancient humans from the waypoint vids, I got that much. But what I mean is that I beat halo with an assault rifle and an empty magnum and you want me to believe that the forerunners lost with all they're tech? Seems like a poorly constructed answer. Sure they were weaker from the war. But given the answer to the man that stopped them and the equipment HE HAD... It just doesn't add up. Lol.

I wasn't talking about Didacts opinion. His IC, Binary Rifles, Halo Arrays, and Boltshot (haha, yeah I went there) are proof enough that our tech is inferior. When the humans can make a Dyson sphere I'll agree that the Didact is spoiled. Until them I'm going to agree that they blow us out of the water. The sheer fact that they could DEVOLVE a civilization says to me that they should've been able to quell the flood with a small force, not like the humans who pretty much only needed three people. The Arbiter, MC, and Sergeant Major Johnson.

I never said the humans beat the forerunners. I said the forerunners lost to the flood but we somehow beat them? But were an inferior race. So... That doesn't make sense.

Okay okay. So to start this off right you gotta take a look at the forerunners. Their technology was way stronger, they built the HALO rings for crying out loud. The Didact has some kind of Star Wars Force Powers. Promo Knights can't be taken over by the Flood... How with all that did they lose against the Flood but Humans beat them so easily? They can be eaten and used against the humans, the had our knowledge as a gravemind, they had Cortana in their pocket, and out weaponry is WAY INFERIOR on a mass scale than forerunner tech. So can anyone explain how or why any of that makes sense?

Right? I remember on opening day there was like 400,000 players all playing. 400,000 x $60 = Fail? Lol. Yeah no.

Agreed. And to bring it full circle, I'm not trying to duplicate the Del Rio thread, or get after anything like that. All I was saying was that from a military perspective and a chain of command that The Chief disobeying orders seems far fetched. And people's assumption that MC answers to Lord Hood alone is wrong. Especially for an MIA enlisted soldier no matter how prestigious they are. Especially since we have no idea what Lord Hoods military status is now. (Well maybe with detail aided by the books). Especially since Captain Del Rio wasn't a lower tiered commissioned officer like some lieutenant. It's not uncommon to see a 1st Sergeant get into some platoon leaders **** (1st lieutenant or hell 2nd lieutenant) because they work directly with a Captain. Even for an E-9 to fire back with direct disobedience just seems strange to me. Cortana wouldn't have been "killed" like people are saying she would've been decommissioned through ONI. At no point did Del Rio say "Kill that AI". It was MC's job to hand over Cortana. Albeit they were friends, she's still military hardware requisitioned for use aboard frigate class interstellar space ships (The Pillar Of Autumn), and not the whimsical property of ANY spartan. No matter how much I love my M4 rifle, I can't just take that with me anywhere. Sure I can use it when it serves a purpose but if my CO asked for it, it's his no questions asked. We call that military cohesion. I trust my chain of command and they trust me. Now I'm not gonna hand my weapon off to some other specialist and hope they do the right thing. Hell probably not even my sergeant. But a CO is a CO. Maybe that's a bad example (I'll admit to that beforehand) but you can see what I'm getting at. She fulfilled a purpose in Halo 2, and 3, but in Halo 4 he just took her because of his own personal feelings on the matter. That example coupled with the direct disobedience of a superior officer would have been enough for execution according to the uniform code of military justice (UCMJ). Granted someone pointed it out earlier were not sure what they use in the future but I HIGHLY DOUBT insubordination would be tolerated in any armed forces. To address the previous mark about him having a stellar record and saving the human race twice beforehand. I'll agree, NOBODY GOES HARDER THAN THE CHIEF. But... No matter how exceptional he is he is still a senior enlisted member of the UNSC. He's not Rambo. As such he should ACT that way. Part of being a good soldier is following orders whether you like them or not. As to Dr. Halseys comment "What are you puppets or Spartans?" She is in no military position to decide what a good soldier is as she attains no prominent position or any affiliation with any enlisted or commissioned rank. She's not in the Army to put it bluntly. She can keep her civilian opinions to herself. Sure she developed the super soldier PHYSICALLY but she didn't MAKE THEM SOLDIERS. That was either born in them or it wasn't. The idea that a soldier is a rogue element that does whatever they want goes against every definition of what an army is comprised of. So no, Chief is not a puppet, he's a super soldier. Key word being SOLDIER. (Well, Marine but you know what I'm getting at.) And to close, plot device? I can see this. Because this is the only explanation I can see why a senior enlisted would go rogue by himself disobeying everyone with stolen UNSC property on a hunt for an unknown enemy for no other reason than "that guy hates humanity; he needs to die". Thus he is "John 117 : Above The Law".

Lol. Agreed. This made me laugh pretty hard.

No I remember this but what he was looking for was something much smaller. Remember his conversation with the scientist where she said "unless you're a lot stronger than you look?"

Was this a troll? Andrew Del Gravemind? Lmao. Seriously? That is faulty storytelling at its worst. That is not how Flood work, Prometheans would never get infected as they aren't symbiotic...? (Wtf?) The Arbiter was a tool and I'm glad to see him gone. I hated being forced to play as that moron in 2 (and coop 3, just my opinion). Multiple Chiefs is a throwback to Halo 1. Halo CE is how the multiChiefs worked. Everything you just said HURT MY BRAIN to read... I'm all about fan fiction and thinking up new zany ideas but ZERO thought was put into this... It literally just makes less sense than a triceratops riding a dirt bike. At no point did your theories match any storyline in the 8 Halo games that have been produced to date, nor any of the books. Has to be a troll... Lol. Good one bro.

That was the point of this discussion. Lol. And no he didn't know what he was looking for. The librarian AI did unlock the untapped power in MC and they did reveal info about the knights but the composer was never discussed. Until Chief saw it aboard the space station he was unaware what weapon the Didact was looking for and what it's size was or potential threat. All of this was still a mystery.

The Chief didn't know what the composer was or how it worked. All he knew was that the Didact was after it. At that point in time.

Yes but you're missing the point. No military works this way. No matter how decorated a soldier, marine, airmen, or sailor is, they aren't above the chain of command and general orders. No matter how stellar MC's jacket looks, he's still an enlisted marine with a chain of command.

Lol. I agree 100%. SLASO FTW

The gondola ride was binary city. Legendary solo was more than a little hard. But my vote still goes to Infinity holdout. I did it solo legendary with no marines. Lets just say it took more than a few tries. (And controllers).