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Why in the world do people keep talking about so called high quality graphics? H4 falls short of Reach and in some parts even H3. Sure the cut scenes are great but I couldnt care less about cut scenes we are not playing Mass Effect here. Load up Reach and H3 walk around look at the sun through the trees or the water, check out vehicle damage, or vehicle mounted weapons like the wraith when fired, drive a ghost look at the dashboard in Reach, look at the matchmaking menu and lobby then compare all this to H4. The graphics come across as washed out and lacking detail. A prime example would be Valhalla play that map in H3 then switch to H4 something just looks off as if its lacking any depth, detail or color. It just feels as if 343 put as little effort into the campaign as possible, its all the little things that add up like when walking through the water in some areas I noticed the audio didnt sync with the graphics. The small details are what kills a game.....im more about campaign myself so if a game is lacking in campaign it kills the entire aspect for me. I have played matchmaking extensively since H2 however but I still enjoy the campaign more. H4 just didnt really bring anything new to the table sure there were different weapons but they are clones of weapons that were already in the game except now they are yellow. Most of the complaints I have read are well spoken valid complaints which provide examples of why the game has failed. This is a huge group that is speaking out against H4. Halo feels like your every day FPS now minus a decent campaign, to me the final stage says it all about H4 total lack of effort on behalf of 343. Halo has always had a great sound track which 343 did a wonderful job remastering in CE but in H4 the music doesnt seem to flow with game play any more. The levels are small and highly repetitive filled with needless scenes like the Pelican Death Star attack come on now 343. The Mantis was pretty nice but it felt like any one of the number of Mech game types that have been around forever. I had very high hopes when I saw the Mammoth.....I was thinking this will be great huge cannon giant wheels we are going to have a great time driving and destroying. But then you are ordered to get off and do just more of the same. All the Mammoth did was take you for a very short drive thats it. They could have added so much more to that stage but once again huge let down. I feel like someone else worked on the first stage because although it played much like CE it was amazing MC was back in action weapons sounded good a pretty nice battle it was Halo.....Then I dont know what happened from that point? Even on Legendary the AI just didnt impress me Knights would often just stand there while I destroyed them with a light rifle. I honestly feel they just rushed this game out the door to get ahead of COD black ops. Speaking of COD how can people not see it plays just like COD now in matchmaking? Weapon loadouts, instant spawns, players are free to come and go, kill streaks ordnance drop in H4 equals care package in COD.....I cant wait to get a really good kill streak going so I can call in a Pelican airstrike. The DMR is so overpowered id almost say its a sniper im owning people all the way across the map....its so overpowered that you are forced to make it your primary as you will get owned if you carry anything else. Long, mid, close the DMR is insane. I understand why so many new members are joining forums who dislike H4...as $60 is a lot of money for what 343 offered and they wish to express that.....now the post that strike me as odd are the new members with under 10 post all across the forums that are attacking valid threads who point out reasons why they feel H4 has failed to deliver with simple one line troll like comments. Is someone trying to do some damage control?

If you think the graphics are great I guess we are playing a totally different game then....just for example your telling me that the graphics in online menus and lobby look gorgeous? They are blocky as can be and totally washed out they look like something id expect from a 2005 game release. In game graphics are even worse, from a distance they look good but once you really start to look around you will notice a total lack of attention to detail when compared to Reach or even H3

I hear you on the DMR im getting 10+ headshots a game and I know im not really actually getting a headshot, the DMR makes using any other weapon pointless unless you are up close. So you liked the ending with that so called battle?

Thankful??????Microsoft and 343 made a killing off of releasing a sub par game that just didnt stand up. The product is unfinished sometimes in matchmaking ill spawn with a loadout that I have not even unlocked yet, or all my loadouts reset. 343 put almost zero effort into this game. The final stage is a perfect example of this.

I personally felt like the AI was worse than Reach even on legendary the Knights would just stand there as I hit them with a light rifle. The cut scenes were great but in game graphics were lacking to me examples would be vehicle damage the dash on a ghost in Reach showed an image of what was in front of you but in H4 its just a purple screen. The graphics look good from a distance until you get up close. Agree 100% with spartan ops what a waste the game is over in under 3 minutes almost. I just feel as if they rushed the game to get out ahead of COD black ops 2.

So now forums are only for positive reviews of a game? Its not just this forum every single last gaming forum is flooded with people who dislike H4. 343 has pissed a lot of people off and in this day and age they take to the internet to let people know. I put far more weight in several 1000 reviews by actual players than some gaming mag that is paid off. Why not just merge the threads into one and pin it? Locking threads down will only make the problem worse

Ok if its such a great game please give some examples why? I can give you a list of reasons it has failed. Come on lets be honest you actually enjoyed the so called final battle......with run here activate that then run there activate that once again run there activate that......all for nothing as the final battle was the largest fail in the entire game.

They hyped up H4 to an insane degree then take into account CE remake they did a wonderful job with that but H4 was an epic failure. Having played the CE remake I couldnt wait to see what 343 had to offer with H4 sadly I wish I would have waited. Honestly after H4 I dont see 343 lasting much longer.

Just because 343 tricked 3 million people into buying H4 does not make it a good game. Selling millions of copies seems great at first but take a look around the internet almost every single last thread or post on H4 is someone who is pissed off or dislikes the game. Now factor in how many bought the game 343 just made an insane amount of people highly pissed who might never buy another game produced under them....I am one of those. Now am I still playing H4 yes......now you might ask why if I dislike it so much.....its simply I just spent almost $100 on this game after you add in that stupid map pass, so yes im going to try my hardest to get my monies worth out of the game.

You know damn well somewhere right now Bungie is reading all of the actual reviews and laughing their a$$ off. Your right players are still red and blue but I heard 343 has plans for that as well......come on now Halo is far more like COD now than what Halo has always been about.

I just dont see how people cant tell its a Reach/COD hybrid It plays exactly like COD now. 5 kills earns "care package" aka known as ordance drop in H4....... im still trying to get 11 kills in a row so I can call in the pelican airstrike

The games AI was weak even on legendary, WAY WAY too short, stupid stages like the Death Star stage with the pelican or riding that huge vehicle both really served to add anything to the plot or game play. The last stage just killed it for me I kept getting ready for a huge battle as he was very powerful then guess what nothing but epic fail.

There are so many hate/dislike threads simply because the entire game failed if every aspect. They gutted the core aspects of Halo and offered up a Reach/COD hybrid minus a decent campaign. Campaign -It is way too short and feels very repetitive....run here activate, run to an exact copy of the platform you were on and repeat then repeat again just because. -Limited environments -An AI seeming to lack any degree of intelligence -Zero memorable battles like that of the Scarab -Total lack of attention to graphic details felt washed out and flat - Very generic background music -Strange sound effects....Warthog, sniper -Complete let down for final battle -Lacking the usual Halo humor such as that crazy Marine that was in every game, grunts dancing at the club or just hearing them talk to each other or scream "run away" Matcmaking -Once again no real ranking system -Friendly fire turned off in some game types -Kills dont mean as much anymore -Players come and go which changes the entire game -You have to be blind to not notice the menu system and lobby are blocky and appear unfinished along with once again washed out. -Even in Matchmaking the graphics come across as washed out -The entire concept of gaining map control and power weapons is gone -They hand out medals like candy -BMR is far overpowered

What how is H4 ANYTHING like H2 or H3 other than the whole blue vs red thing?

Matchmaking feels empty for several reasons the maps are not balanced like for example "The Pit" that game offered everything rockets, sniper, sword, shotty it took key planing to obtain the power weapons and overshield. Every person had the same weapons offered to them, to pull off a win it was pure skill and teamwork. Now players come and go during a match which changes the entire dynamics of the game as you cant learn the other teams strengths or predict their moves. On some game types friendly fire is turned off which removes the last bit of skill required. They give medals away for nothing im getting 7-9 assists and a good 10+ head shots per game now I know damn well I dont actually get that many head shots as im the one firing the gun but yet they are given to you for free. It seems an assist is given for simply firing a shot in the general direction of a dying opponent. The point system destroyed matchmaking as now its not really about getting kills its about getting points. How in the world is a needler or grenade kill worth as much as a head shot? Im guessing they felt like those players that were not that good should get the same amount as points as those who are.

That vid was a perfect example of washed out graphics contained within H4

I put most of the blame on Microsoft and their greed, just like how they pushed ODST into a full game instead of a simple expansion pack. The Halo series should have been allowed to die out with grace and its head held up high. It is very clear that someone from im guessing Microsoft said "Hmmm this COD is really popular online and it seems as if nobody is playing Reach in matchmaking, I bet if we make Halo more like COD people will start to play again and we can make a killing" The problem is they completely fail to understand why H3 had the huge online gaming numbers that it did and still has a hard core following. It has nothing to do with AA or weapon loadouts I guess 343 will have to find this out the hard way.

Then post the reasons why this game is so great

I can understand why people are trying to defend H4 as I love the series myself its the only reason I own an Xbox I switched from PS as soon as CE was released and havent stopped playing since. But at some point you have to be honest with yourself and accept what H4 actually is and what it is not.

What look at the water as you step into it, or up at the sun through the trees, look at vehicles up close, watch vehicle damage, the games graphics are dull lacking detail and felt washed out. Compare the matchmaking menus and lobby to that of Reach or even H3, H4 comes across as blocky and once again washed out lacking any real color. Now the cut scenes were pretty good but thats about it.

A great campaign???? How so it was beyond short, a very weak AI, repetitive game play (run here activate, run there activate again and again, poor graphics, terrible final battle if you can even call it that. Game ratings are a joke and are only used to help move the titles. Do a quick internet search and actual players are beyond upset with H4 and 343. Those are the ratings that actually matter H4 is being ripped apart across the internet and for good reason.

Ok then post several reasons why its such a great game, I can cite several that proves it is not. Instead of just saying its a great game please explain why you feel it is a masterpiece as you put it

You need glasses...get in a ghost in Reach look at dash now do the same in H4. Look at things like the water as you step in it or shoot at it, look at the vehicles close, when you fire a wraith compare it to Reach, compare the menu system in matchmaking to that of H3 or Reach or the lobby. The entire matchmaking looks washed out or something is just off. Compare the same maps in H3 to H4.

Agree 100% I started a thread myself..... I stated several reasons an examples of why I felt 343 and H4 let everyone down and I was attacked and called a troll for posting well stated reasons for my dislike. I gave direct examples of lack of detailed graphics when compared to Reach or H4. Along with reasons campaign just didnt stack up. I asked those who posted such things to please cite reasons why they felt H4 was such a great game but guess what no response. You can not force people to like a game. If anything people who attack those who post an honest thread only add to the problem. I wanted very much to enjoy this game as 343 did a wonderful job with CE but it just didnt stand up to what was promised or even previous releases. 343 and Microsoft are going to catch a lot of attention over H4 and its not the kind they want. They should have known this when they released such an unrefined game. Even Bungie was attacked when they stepped away from the core elements of Halo when they released ODST....id say Microsoft had more to do with that failure as they pushed for it to be a full game release.

Agree as long as its an honest thread with valid reasons and examples of why they feel the game let them down there should be no problem. There are several professional reviewers that feel the same way as well about H4 http://www.gamearena...o-4/reviews.php http://www.quarterto...e-it-should-be/ http://www.egmnow.com/articles/reviews/egm-review-halo-4/