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I'm sorry but when I have played BF3 all people do Is either Camp the objective getting kills or Run around spraying aimlessly at the other players.. In fact in any other game than Halo I have never heard anyone make any form of Call outs during the game. Most of the time on CoD as you hear is someone shouting nonsense at/or about the other team and the rest of the time you can just hear music blasting as for BF3 I honestly don't think I have ever heard a Single person speak in the game never mind make a call out. H2/H3 there was always at least 1 person even if you searched random who would be making call outs along with myself that would make 2 out of the 4 in most gametypes .. This is why I personally believe Halo take more Skill/Tactics than any other the other FPS games out at present...

Where is disagree with the fact people should get something just for playing (as I believe it to be lazy by the gamer not to learn how to get good at the game in the first place) I am to understand that the current Exp system is to continue running and complete separate Ranking system of 1 - 50 playlist will be released ...

That's what I have been reading/hearing 1 - 50 ranking system with a different rank for each individual playlist....

There is to be a 1 - 50 Ranking System in the Game apparently early 2013, It is going to be using True skill to. I to really want this ranking system to make winning worth doing again.. I just hope that they place weapons on the maps take out Drop in/Drop out and remove load outs for the Ranking side of things.. All I can say is hold on the ranking system is coming.. I have recently been playing Swat which plays a lot more like Halo 3 Swat than you might think.. My suggestion try giving swat ago to pass the time until the ranking system comes and just pray that 343 get the ranking system right.

I did switch to a DMR for a little bit on Complex but I soon reverted to the Br ... I have already notched up about 4/5 Overkills and a couple of Killtacks too .. I do enjoy a good game of Swat and this just seems so far to feel right .... Just need some more Maps now ..

Just got on Halo 4 for a few games of Swat and I have to say thus far I am loving the feeling of playing this playlist again with the weapon it was designed to be played with (BR).. I have only have about 10 game so far and have been enjoying the majority only one problem I have come across so far is the campers but hopefully they will soon realize that camping in Swat is not how to go about winning the game.. I would like to hear peoples views on this new playlist and any other playlists they would like to see added in the future to Halo 4.. I myself would love it if the bring in Team Snipers MLG and Lonewolves ..

I'm sorry but I most definitely have to disagree with Battlefield or CoD taking any major skill both games are pretty much based on running around Spraying you auto-matic weapon at whatever moves. CoD more than Battlefield has more sprayers but in all honesty I think Battlefield may have even more campers than CoD does.. Anyway getting off that issue Halo still looks like Halo and still requires more skill than CoD or Battlefield ever will IMO. The main issue that a lot of the Old School Halo players miss is the Weapon pick ups on the map which gives you a reason to move around the map in the first place and defend that area when a weapon of importance is about to spawn or even a power up. The other issue is just that big lack of the ranking system which we now know will be coming in 2013 we just have to hope that they make it weapon spawns on the map no Drop in/Drop out along with a re-spawn time none of this instant spawn stuff. As I have said in previous posts you can have whatever you want in the Social playlists as Social is for Casual gamers so to be honest you can run around in a Bikini with an Ice cream cone for all I care as long as they get the Ranking side of things right I will be well Happy..

I just hoping 343 do get it right and have both the Ranked and Social side of thing to keep both sides happy..It seemed to me that Reach just forgot all about the Competitive player I'm hoping Halo 4 does not do the same.. As for complaining about people like me I am merely expressing what i think would make the game better from a more competitive point of view which is helpful to 343 unlike yourself who is just coming in trying to start an argument which my friend is not what this thread is about..

That is low my friend pretty much the same as what reach used to get on it... Halo 3 I can remember seeing like 1 Million Plus on at any given time. People are allowed to have their opinions as long as they are structured and not abusive ....

I understand it's there so that you are not waiting to long for a game but to be fair I would prefer to wait the extra 1/2 mins to have a fully lobby then to start a game with uneven teams... As for people joining in fast I played about 4 mins by myself against the team of 3 before anyone joined in the game to help me in my cause. As i have said previously they can keep it for the Social side of things but it must be removed for the ranked playlist along with most of the other stuff. They just need to strip Halo 4 (at least the ranking side of things) down to the bare basic of what made the previous ones so good and addictive ( I do not include Reach in that )

Emmm Okay so you don't find it stupid that it starts a game with unfair teams... You must need all the help you can get to win a game.. End of the day a game should only start when It has the correct amount of people for the chosen playlist ...

Well this just takes the biscuit just had a game start up with me Vs 3 other people they were all searching together too.. This Drop in/Drop out system is just ridiculous ....

For me all the new stuff like loadouts/Drop in Drop out and Ordinace drops can stay in Social as that is where that stuff belongs for all the people that just want to mess around or play fun and not Rank. As for the Ranked playlist I hope all this nonesence is removed and we just get back to basics I.e weapons on Map/ Re Spawn time/ No Kill Cam Or Drop in Drop out .. If 343 do this I believe they will be catering to bot partyies just like Halo 3 Did .. Here Hoping *Fingers Crossed*

I have to disagree CoD to me takes no Skill at all to play it just a case of who sees who first as you can't out UMP someone like you can out DMR/BR someone in Halo.. . I will agree that Halo plays different to CoD but you can't denie that Halo Reach and Halo 4 have been Influenced in a Negative way by the CoD franchise. Loadouts make the start of the game unfair, No weapon Spawns on the map give people no need to move around the map making for a campyier style of play. Drop in/ Drop out is useless it starts so many games uneven and puts you in so many losing games which is just stupid.. You can keep the drop in/drop out system if you want for Social games but it must be goen for ranked it's unfair %100 to have a loss put against you when you get in the game half way through.. I just don't understand why the felt the need to change the game so much from the likes of Halo2/3 ... Reach became dull pretty fast and Halo 4 will end up going the same way if they fail to make a proper decent 1 - 50 ranking system that is visible to everyone.. Being able to see someones rank is not about showing off its about known how to prepare for the task ahead .. You can normally judge how tough a match will be by the player service record along with they rank.. Again all This is just my opinion on things but I strongly Believe having a good meaniful ranking system makes the game live longer... There is nothing competetive about this game if you win you rank up if you lose you rank up there is no need to win just like CoD/Battlefield and all the other boring Exp Games...

It's true that 343 are a business and they are out to make money. However they have to realize the way to keep making money is to keep the consumers happy. If you just go for the casual gamers they tend to move on with each new release therefore not really going to buy any of there DLC. If you don't give the competitive players what they want they will move on elsewhere and look for other games to play that make them feel like they are working for something.. I also will be older than a lot of the people in this forum and have been a Halo fan since Day dot.. I was truly Shocked and disappointed with Bungies last ever game (Reach) It took everything out of what was Halo to me. As I keep saying we will just have to hope that they get the ranking system right but if they fail that the game it dead to me... I hope they make a playlist with Weapons on the maps no "Perks" no Loadouts and most certainly no Drop in/Drop out system. We can only hope they manage to listen to the more competitive player and give them what they really want.. I don't mind the casual gamers having what they like but please remember the competitive player the Bungie seemed to forget...

Couldn't agree more with the Theatre option it was great fun in Halo 3 just going through videos with your friends, Also why is the fileshare locked before you are in a game? "May lose 5 Die hard fans" the Die hard fans kept this series going all the way up to Reach when it was ruined that why Reach failed and everyone stopped playing it.. They run the risk of the Same thing happening in this game if they don't get the Ranking system spot on.. I also wish to have the Ranking system Visible I can't be bothered to go back and forth between Waypoint and Halo 4 just because they are scared of Derankers/Boosters or a bit of banter between the not so good players and the better players.. . Please 343 get this Ranking system right and you will find a lot of Old Halo 2/3 players Retuning to the franchise and making the game fun and competitive once more.. Just remember Visible is a major key

I'm not saying that I expect it to be perfect straight out of the box however I did expect it to have a ranking system. I have been reading a few things about the new ranking system due in 2013 and to a point it sounds decent but they are still only planning to allow you to see your rank on Waypoint which is a little bit of a pain and they are also considering using the stats that you have before the ranking system comes out. One thing is for sure they should not use existing stats as the drop in drop out system puts you in way to many unfair games (2 v 4/ 3 v 5) or even placing you in games where you are 20+ kills behind. I really hope that they do pull this ranking system off as the ranking system is the main thing that kept me playing in the past. I like feeling like I am bettering myself and truly earning my rank. Main thing for me is get the Ranking system in get rid of Drop in Drop out and have weapons on the maps... Weapons on the maps will make the game far more tactical and stop people just sitting back earning there "Kill Streak" ....

I agree with the Sword and Shogun and stuff like the but Rockets are used in MLG playlist which is what the Pro's play is it not. Next you will want the Sniper rifle to be removed ...

This needs to be done sooner rather than later if this game is going to have any Longevity to it. Not having a proper ranking system is what Flat-lined Reach. I am hoping that they do Exactly what you have mentioned before but I am very skeptical about the whole thing and believe that they won't return to Halo 2/3 Ranking system. I did hear they were thinking of doing a 1 - 50 but only you could see your rank to try and prevent against boosting/deranking again I would prefer to be able to see what rank of player I am playing against as that can completely change you mindset for the Game.. I also heard that the Lead guy of 343 got rank locked at a level 33 in Halo 3 so I do also fear if they do bring in a 1 - 50 it maybe too easy to get the top rank. all we can do is wait but to be perfectly honest I paid £65 for this game and IMO it should have been released with a ranking system already in it not just add it on at a later date I don't know come 2013 if I will still even have this game as I am already bored with the ExP system ...

I will agree that the game mechanics do not feel like CoD but the way the ranking system and load outs along with Perks are exactly the same idea taken from CoD. The problem the Halo 4 has is it is following in the footsteps of Reach which Flat-lined very quickly due to the lack of a proper ranking system. Halo players at least the old Halo payers from Halo 2/3 like to be rewarded for winning games by ranking up.. Having that ranking system in place also ment that once you got to your Trueskill rank all your games would normally pretty close. The problem that Reach and now Halo 4 has is I could play none stop and lose every game but still rank up. To me this is just boring I don't want to rank up based on how long I play the game. Halo 3 had it right if you wanted to play Ranked you could but if you were more of a social player they had the social playlist. Everyone who played Halo 3 will remember having the group of friends you would play ranked with and the Group of friends you would play social with. I personally hope that 343 do put this proper ranking system in sooner than later. As for the Big team battle issue I personally don't really play that playlist for the fact that the Game is a FPS not a Vehicle orientated game IMO i don't want to be in a Warthog or Ghost or What ever as I prefer to be using a Sniper Rifle or BR.... I understand that you can never please everyone but when Bungie Released Reach it was a big Middle finger to the competitive player, I just hoping 343 will start gearing the game back towards the loyal Halo player and take the game back to what made it big in the first place. I mean look at Black Ops 2 they are introducing a ranking system although I am to understand it going to be more like Arena was in reach but at least its a step in the right direction.. 343 need to bring competitive gaming back to Halo and stop just trying to be more like CoD to get players in. The difference always was with Halo that it Required more skill than CoD players that skill gap is decreasing bit by bit...

Well being perfectly honest I would have been happy with a Halo 3.5, Halo 3 was the peak of the Halo series and since then it has only gone downhill ODST/Reach/Halo 4 .. Anniversary was an exception but to be fair that was just a re hash of the game that started this amazing series. I believe the Multiplayer has a lot of potential but 343 must get away from all the CoD like things this is not what the true Halo fan wants. We loved the whole feel of being able to control and dominate a map based on timing/tactics/skill, We most certainly don't want matches to be unfair i.e 2 Vs 4 3 Vs 5 or random power weapons for filling up a meter or people able to quit and go unpunished for doing so. Halo 3's old true skill system although it had its faults was the best, I know 343 where worried about the selling of accounts and the derankers and booster but to be fair all you have to do to stop the Derankers is give out harsher punishments and the selling of account has been made harder by having to put you card details on every account you make these days. I know its far to late for 343 to change everything in the game but please look at these people posts and realize that although you have improved on Reach (which to be honest wasn't very hard) you are still a fair way off the mark from getting back to the good old Halo 3 days. Please please make a smart move and look in to creating a playlist or two with weapons on the map no load outs and removing the Drop in Drop out system. I agree with most of this post however CoD does not require any Skill nor tactics IMO, CoD is a straight up spray and pray game. The game is based around who see who first cos lets face it you aint going to out UMP someone.. I own all the game mentioned too I can even remember playing my first game of CoD (MW2) ever and destroying most kids in that first game lobby. I was brand new to the game and I could still tear people apart as I was able to hear/see they manage to see me.. I truly believe there are no tactics in CoD other than run and gun. Halo on the other hand you can out BR someone even if they did get the first 2/3 shots on you first as they may choke or you could simply out strafe them. Also halo forced you to learn the map/ weapons spawns and timings. meaning that tactics with you team where really important along with call outs of where people on the opposite team are.. I honest can't remember ever hearing any form of call out on CoD other than he's on my X or over there somewhere .. Anyway lets hope 343 listen to the true ans of the game unlike Bungie and actually step up to the plate and do something to keep us happy otherwise they are you looking at another failed game in the Halo series .. Time will tell if they do care or if they where just all about getting the money in from the casual gamers and they are then happy to put the game on the back shelf and watch it rot away just like reach did ..

Couldn't agree more with the Halo 3 thing, This game is pleasing on the eye but I have played it For 1 Day now and I am already bored with it. The lack of a ranking system makes the game dull and boring it gives me no reason to win in a game.. I personally don't care if I can customize my spartan at the end of the day that doesn't make me any better of a player. I hate to say it but this game truly feels like I am playing CoD with Halo Characters, It just takes that little bit more skill in Halo 4 than any CoD game. I hope 343 actually put in the trueskill Ranking system like they said they were going to, The drop in/Drop out system is one of the most silly things they could have ever done. I mean it starts games with unfair teams and places you in games that you are already losing... Halo 3's Ranking system although not Perfect was by far the best that has been used and it was simple you win you rank up you lose you may rank down if you win and lose around the same amount you stay at that level.. I was really looking forward to this game but yet again feel let down by the multiplayer it has IMO no longevity to it same as reach.. as for the random weapon spawns and load outs that does just encourage camping at its fullest.. The camper has no reason to come out as there are no weapons to pick up so when you have a full team camping and you have no choice but to go after them otherwise you would just be sitting yourself at one side of the map doing nothing.. So the problem then is that as you keep going after the campers you have no better weapons for removing campers i.e Rockets/Snipe/Shotgun Jesus even Grenades would be handy but no even with Grenades you need to wait for them to spawn. I hope that 343 do sort this out and at least listen UNLIKE BUNGIE !!!! otherwise they will find the number of people playing this game drop dramatically...

Well where do I start, I believe the multiplayer aspect of the game has it's Pro and Cons. I think the game play is very smooth and fast paced along with some very good maps. I also like the feel of the weapons in the game along with how most of the maps play However I feel let down with the random weapon spawns, I would prefer to go back to having weapons on the maps rather than just randomly appearing. One reason behind this is that if there are no weapons that need fighting over on the map it encourages people to camp a lot more.. another thing I dislike about the multiplayer is the Drop in/Drop out system I have been placed in many games that where already underway and I was many kills behind, I have also been in games that have started 3 Vs 5 this is just stupid.. I understand that when I game does start with the right amount of people lets say 4 Vs 4 that a lot of people don't like to stay in a game if they are getting overpowered, However if 343 placed a ranking system in the game other than the Exp system we would not be having the problem of people being put up against people that are a lot better than them. Now I don't know if 343 plan on Adding this in later with an Update or something but I am sure before the game was released they were talking about running a true skill system in the background and only yourself being able to see you true skill again I have not seen this and if anyone has any information on this I would like to hear it please. Another issue I have noticed is that in Big Team Battle there seems to be a big lack of weapons that are able to destroy the Vehicles .. I have played some games where that has been literally one laser the entire game and nothing else.. I am hoping that 343 will make a playlist where the weapons are on he maps and load-outs are not in the playlist, I also hope that they do go through with either an actual Ranking system that all can see or even the one that only yourself can see either way there needs to be something in the game to keep the game balanced.. All in all I believe this game is a massive improvement on Reach but is still yet to pass the heights of Halo 2/3. I just hope 343 look to make improvements to this game with the updates that are to come in the future. I would like to hear other peoples thoughts on the currently Halo 4 multiplayer but please keep it civilized..

Well where do I start, I believe the multiplayer aspect of the game has it's Pro and Cons. I think the game play is very smooth and fast paced along with some very good maps. I also like the feel of the weapons in the game along with how most of the maps play However I feel let down with the random weapon spawns, I would prefer to go back to having weapons on the maps rather than just randomally appearing. One reason behind this is that if there are no weapons that need fighting over on the map it encorages people to camp alot more.. another thing I dislike about the multiplayer is the Drop in/Drop out system I have been placed in many games that where already underway and I was many kills behind, I have also been in games that have started 3 Vs 5 this is just stupid.. I understand that when I game does start with the right ammount of people lets say 4 Vs 4 that alot of people don't like to stay in a game if they are getting overpowered, However if 343 placed a ranking system in the game other than the Exp system we would not be having the problem of people being put up agaisnt people that are alot better than them. Now I don't know if 343 plan on Adding this in later with an Update or something but I am sure before the game was released they were talking about running a trueskill system in the background and only yourself being able to see you trueskill again I have not seen this and if anyone has any information on this I would like to hear it please. Another issue I have noticed is that in Big Team Battle there seems to be a big lack of weapons that are able to destory the Warthog/Wraith/Mantice .. I have played some games where that has been literally one laser the entire game and nothing else.. I am hoping that 343 will make a playlist where the weapons are on he maps and loadouts are not in the playlist, I also hope that they do go through with either an actual Ranking system that all can see or even the one that only yourself can see either way threre needs to be something in the game to keep the game balanced.. All in all I believe this game is a massive improvement on Reach but is still yet to pass the heights of Halo 2/3. I just hope 343 look to make improvements to this game with the updates that are to come in the future. I would like to hear other peoples thoughts on the currently Halo 4 multiplayer but please keep it civilised..