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Frankie actually says its not a shield world at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_swG05xhCE8&feature=player_embedded Skip to about 7:50

I had no clue KSI even still existed. Didnt come to join was just surprised lol either way congrats on thriving through out the years and good luck in all your future endeavors.

And there isnt a problem with that. You are definitely entitled to your own opinion but i think what most competitive people are trying to say is that they want some sort of compromise. Whether that is bringing back social playlists(which i think is preferable) or something else its not too big a deal just so long as we get a skilled ranking system that lets us play in our own tier. I dont think any competitive player wants to alienate casual players. They are just as important and halo in general needs both casuals and competitors to get back on top. Not to mention everyone likes to play only for fun sometimes, we cant play seriously all the time so even competitive players want a place to go when we need a break.

It does look a little weird right now but its something everyone will get used to.

Agree with this. I miss the beam rifle and hope its back in but if its not then i suppose no secondary. If they had to use one then the pistol wouldnt bother me too much

Those scenarios arent the norm. Most times you lose will be because you didnt do well enough. You ask whats the point of ranking down, how can you not see the benefits of playing within your own tier? Thats the point. If you arent good enough to play with a certain level then you should be ranked down to play comfortably at your own skill level. Let me ask you whats the point of not ranking down? Why even have a rank then? Is it really so important for people to see how long you played because it seems pointless to me. If you just want to play for fun and dont really care about a rank so much then wouldnt bringing back social be a good compromise?

You cant say its not a halo game. We havent seen enough to draw that conclusion. Wait until the release then you can have any opinion you like, just give it a chance. Remember that a lot of the people working at 343 have already worked on past halo games and have a good idea as to what makes a halo game feel like halo

Lol im being stupid? Where in my post was my lack of intelligence showing? Maybe im just too stupid too notice. Also you are so mad its hilarious. Dont like when people disagree with you? You are entitled to your own opinion but you are posting it on an online forum. You best expect it will be criticized. You should consider leaving this forum for awhile and do a little growing up. Your views are unpopular because they are illogical lack any sort of understanding of the game of halo. And yes please dont bother with me anymore. If not for me then do it for your own dignity while you still have any(you dont).

I definitely have no problem with older maps being remade but they have to do it right. For one they have to be remakes, none of this spiritual successor business. Two, only a few should come shipped with the game. If they want to remake any others, let it be DLC. I agree though, its wonderful that they are focusing on the maps being competitively designed. Its easy for casuals to have fun on a competitive map but not so much for competitive players to be able to play seriously on a casual map.

If they are minor changes then it shouldnt be too much of a problem. Its not something id be thrilled about but it could be implemented in a good way

Almost all of these maps should be something new. 1 or 2 remakes would be great but any more than that is sort of pushing it.

It looks like you are backed into a corner haha Im not sure where in my post that i was "so pissed off". The only pissed off person i see is you. Your arguments are so weak and you make yourself look like a fool consistently. You are immature and are the exact type of person that is killing this community. If you want to dispute something i say then actually make sense and bring up reasonable points. As it is you havent made any effort towards swaying anyone, just been making false claims. Did you ever think that there is a reason why so many people disagree with you and you are always in some sort of fight? It isnt just coincidence. If you are a troll then good job but if not then you might want to reevaluate your "persuasion techniques". Also please point out where i claimed i was pro lol?

Im sorry but no, this is a terrible idea. Cant we just let halo be halo?

I really hope this doesnt happen. I may not even buy it if its anything like this. I suppose we will see though, no reason to get riled up yet.

Well from the look of it, it appears you havent played halo 2 or 3, and you have barely even played reach. Why do you think you know whats best for halo again?? So this thread still has a point. Its meant to get the opinions of longtime halo fans who have been here from the beginning. You know, when halo was still respected as a good game and wasnt in such poor shape. These opinions are important and you having only played reach consistently(barely) just dont have as much input into what can get halo back to where it needs to be. Nothing wrong with the thread, it has a purpose. if you dont like it then too bad, it wasnt meant for you anyways. We want to talk among people who have a long standing love of this game, not some bandwagoner who started playing the dumbed down version of halo that is reach.

http://www.bungie.ne...anG%20iZ%20BOSS 1. AAs are something i feel must go. If they are to be in H4 then they definitely have to be pickups. I know a lot of people like sprint but this is the worst addition added to the halo series. It just sucks the halo feel right out of the game. I know its already in so i am hoping 343 has some way to make it work. 2.The graphics look great but in all reality i dont play halo for the graphics. Its about gameplay. After a few weeks most people will barely pay attention to any of the aesthetics. Also i have no clue why it looking too much like crysis is a problem, crysis has phenomenal visuals. 3.The feel of the game is entirely dependent on how they implement sprint(or any AA's if they choose to add them), loadouts, and basically any addition foreign to the first 3 halo games. I have a lot of faith in this game since frankie seems to care just as much about halo as any true fan would. 4.Im still not psyched about loadouts but there isnt much that can be done about it now. Its just the more you add to customization of in game character the more this game transforms from a skill based shooter to situational game. I play halo because everyone starts out equal and what you do after that is entirely your doing. No unfair advantages from the get go and thats a must for a halo game. 5. The ranking system may be one of the biggest make or break components to H4. Bottom line it has to have something to separate skill. Its just logical that there be some sort of true skill ranking system so we play in our own tier. The combination of social and ranked is perfect. Best of both worlds and i dont see how anyone can really argue that. 6. The more gametypes the better IMO. As long as we still have the originals such has TS, TD, Oddball, KOTH, ect... then it will be fine. Unlike core game mechanics, more gametypes wont ever break halo. Its something that is a choice and doesnt have to be even used. If you dont like oddball then you dont play it. I see no downside as long as they dont force feed us the gametypes and they keep it in their respected playlists.

Ive played halo since the release of Halo CE: and by far have spent the most time on H2. Regardless, in terms of playstyle, reach and CoD are polar opposites. They may have more similar features between it and any halos before it but they are drastically different. I dislike reach and think it has nearly destroyed a once great series but it definitely doesnt play like CoD because it has some borrowed tools. Also no need to explain anything to me, i fully grasp the core mechanics of each halo and need no further understanding. You are sounding a little condescending so i advise not assuming im ignorant on any subject until you have had a full conversation with me about it.

In terms of competitiveness they are one in the same. Of course they are drastically different in gameplay lol

Everyone else pretty much said it all for me but seriously you are such a hypocrite. Crying that i want it to be only competitive gamers left even though i specifically pointed out that i wanted there to be a set of social playlists for just casual players, yet you want no ranking system so us competitive gamers are left out. What you are really angry about is the fact that we are trying to get a skilled ranking system back into play and you will no longer be given ranks for free. You want a high rank without actually having to earn it. Your whole thing about social being abandoned is just you trying to pull something out of your ass. I played more halo 3 than you ever will and it was not "abandoned". Also CoD isnt competitive at all. CoD is Reach

I cant tell if this sarcastic mockery or not lol either way not much more i have to say on the subject

This is getting ridiculous. People are so scared of a ranking system because they wont just be handed ranks. God forbid you have to get better at the game. Stop being so lazy and improve your skills. This is why we should have a set of social playlists again, that way people who dont want to play for rank still have a place to go. As for me I want to play with people of my own skill and a system akin to halo 2 or halo 3 will allow that. Stop trying to ruin all competitive players fun and saying how amazing reach is and nothing should be changed. Halo took a huge hit from reach being released, a lot needs to change.

lol what?

Id have to disagree. Ranking systems do make games more competitive the same way any goal worth achieving does. Not to sound mean but judging from a lot of your other posts you dont seem to care all that much about the multiplayer aspect of halo anyways so i dont think you really have a grasp of what its actually like in the mindset of a competitive gamer. Nothing wrong with being more Story oriented as halo has a great campaign but i dont believe you are an accurate representation of the multiplayer populace. Having something to work towards that can only be obtained by playing well and winning makes us try harder. In reach it doesnt matter because eventually you can get any rank and any amount of CR as long as you keep playing. So why care about winning or playing well? For your own satisfaction? Sure thats great but most casual players arent as bothered by lackluster performance with nothing on the line. You are right when you say that individual players make a game competitive. Unfortunately the halo fan base has became lazy since everything has just been handed to them. So i think its time to go back to a system where we have to put in a little more effort to reach our goals.

People keep saying they like reach's ranking system, but in all honesty what ranking system? There basically is none. We need to be able to level like it was in halo 2, have separate playlists for both ranked and social that still builds to an overall experience counter as it was in halo 3, and if they wanted to keep CR to buy armor and other things then that would be fine as well. As long as we have a true skill rank again then ill be happy. It gives me something to work for and actually care about winning games. If there is some incentive to win then it will improve everyone's experience. That way you dont run into a bunch of people ruining the game for their team because they don't care about winning. A large percentage of reach games are just like that because there isnt anything on the line, no matter what you get something. I understand you dont want to alienate people who arent that good but damn this isnt tee ball and not everyone deserves a trophy.

I searched for a similar topic but nothing came up. Also i feel like its a completely valid topic to discuss. Either way im not even sure i want an open beta. Im just going to put my trust into 343 and see what they can make. Community input is great but sometimes i think a large part of the halo community should just leave creative ideas to the professionals. That way 343 doesnt have to worry about tweaking their game to try to make everyone happy and end up making no one happy. We get a final product like how it was supposed to be in the first place