I agree I started playing with Halo 3 ODST,which was not the best game, but it gave me the opportunity to play Halo 3 xbox live...and I had that stage in Halo 4 where I just sat back and sniped ppl out with the DMR and the Sniper Rifle cause I would get it almost every ordinance...but then one day last week I got demolished by someone with an incineration cannon...I went back to look at his stats and he had 5 kills and 23 deaths...yet he some how had got an ordinance and I also looked at his service record...he had 1268 kills and 3143 deaths...how in the world does this player deserve an ordinance...I then went back onto halo 3 and played a team slayer battle on the pit and wow let me tell you it was then that I realized the big thing missing also in Halo 4 is team play...everyone goes off and does their own thing, and I'll admit I do it too...but there is no team play until you go to specialty games like oddball or I did a custom grifball game...I even got in the scorpion tank and one of my teammates started sticking the tank...why in the world would you ever hurt a team mate...if you did that on Halo 3 you would get instantly booted and another instance was when I was sniping my teammate stood right in front of me while I was shooting so I couldn't see on exile and I was like WTF mate...and then when I finally got around him he ended up sticking me in the back with a grenade and it didn't give a chance to boot him...I don't want to sit here and bash Halo 4 because it's 343 trying to reach other gamers that haven't played the franchise before...but at the same time I feel like it's punishing the players who really are passionate about their skill and classic play...and when they got rid of Team Slayer Pro from the game options this week I felt like it was the last straw in my book...I think the best compromise would be a new game type option called Classic Slayer...4x4 game type...and maybe have the option if it works well for 343 to have a Classic Slayer FFA...but I believe the Classic Slayer 4x4 game type would be just what we need to reinvigorate some of the players such as myself...I mean I don't like some of the maps but I would put up with the maps if we had a classic slayer option...I mean Complex would be fun with this type of gametype...but the format would be no armor abilities/support upgrades/tactical packages...and no ordinances...there would be a few weapons on the field of play to battle over i.e. rockets, scattershot, energy sword, sniper rifle, etc...and I mean I am against the different load outs, but if it would help 343 to bite on it I think the custom weapons could stay...such as the option to use dmr/BR/Assault Rifle/Covenant or Forerunner weapons, a sidearm: plasma pistol/boltshot/magnum, and grenades: plasma, frag, and pulse...that would still give some individuality while also giving the gameplay that classic feel...also I would have no sprinting option...that is what made the old game so strategic...I mean if you were good you had to effectively strafe and jump...I think this would give the old guard of Halo fanatics a good format to play Halo 4 xbox live...as well as not punish the new generation that 343 is trying to attract...I would like to see if others agree with me here...cause I think if we could get enough following we could make it happen as another game option