Mango88

1.Would you think the librarian would index the precursors? (Since she loved preserving life so much) 2. And also do you think she indexed forerunners as well? Would make sense...

1. How did the ISO didact survive the halo array? (Born stellar) 2. How did the librarian survive on earth? 3.How did the Ark where all the indexed humans and species survive the halo array? 4. How did the 7 remaining rings survive the array?(currently 6) And why do the remaining rings have flood locked on them as the array was supposed to kill the flood and all sentient life, as seen in halo 1 &2am (Who knows if more rings have flood) 5. How did 343 spark, born stellars friend who was made an AI survive halo array? 6. Did some forerunners use shield worlds to exist the halo array? 7. Why did the forerunners make the index to work with human hand? Thank you kindly if you do answer. I will mark as solved.

In fall from grace mendicant bias was unable to "disable" halo's directly. But his intentions were to DISABLE, them from firing, and apparently OFFENSIVE BIAS was used to override him so that the Halos could be FIRED ultimately and they were but.. how many where fired? was this before or after Mendicant fired 5 of the 12 halos?

Also regarding the grave mind talking about the whole dispute about forerunners and precursors and precursors turning themselves into "dust to recreate themselves to reanact revenge" ... Could it be the grave mind is trying to put the blame on something that is not the source? Frank o'connor in an interview says the grave mind is psychic. Which is true, he can use ANY INFORMATION in his collective conscious to say whatever he wants(whatever becomes infected), it doesn't mean what he chooses to say is true though. Grave mind spoken in Halo 3 also seem to reinforce the connection between humans and Forerunners, for example: Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness for the father's sins passed on to his son. There seems to be a hatred toward MASTERCHEIF(humans) from grave mind. Could it be a hatred toward precursors as well? That would justify grave mind's actions on setting precursors up to be the "bad guys" or the "source of calamity" and even himself on being the sad result of the precursors mistakes when in fact the source of the flood could be something totally different. In fact if he has an enemy it would be to set the world,covenant,brutes,elites, and anything that can become infected up to hate the supposed "precursors". Grave mind has a motive and it's separation possibly.

Ahh here it is, it's about 2 different events 1.with the primordial and ISO-didact who kills him 2.And one with the grave mind and ur-didact and apparently the consciousness of the primordial remembers what ISO-didact did to him so he unleashes his anger on ur-didact in the form of grave mind. Is this true? Below is what I found on halopedia "It is your task to kill this servant. That another may be freed." —The Primordial speaking to the Didact. After reclaiming Installation 07, the IsoDidact imprisoned the Primordial within a reverse-stasis chamber, and alongside the wounded Chakas, interrogated the entity. During the course of their conversation, they came to realize that the Primordial was not what they initially thought it was. Even as it was being broken down by the reversed stasis chamber, the Primordial claimed that the Flood and the Precursors were synonymous, though despite the Didact's queries, it did not disclose the precise nature of their relationship. The Primordial provided further clarification on the subject of the Mantle, the purpose of the Flood, and the role of the humans in its ancient plan: the Forerunners were never meant to inherit the Mantle, and that humanity would succeed them in order to be tested for inheriting the Mantle.[4] It also implied that there is no true cure for the Flood, but that it could choose whether or not a victim was infected. Once this conversation was complete, the Didact, enraged about the revelation, fully activated the reverse stasis chamber, forcing an artificial decay process equivalent to a billion years to transpire over the course of several seconds, killing the Primordial, and breaking its body down to a state of complete physical entropy.[21] However, as later demonstrated during the Ur-Didact's encounter with the Gravemind, the Primordial's consciousness had survived the destruction of its physical body, having transferred itself into the Flood's compound mind completely intact. Intent on exacting its vengeance on the Didact in its new form, the Primordial inflicted unspeakable horrors upon the Promethean before releasing him and allowing him to return to the ecumene, aware that the Didact's resulting madness would demoralize the Forerunners and engender chaos and indecision among their ranks.[11] Other than that in your response on question 3 in which you state the precursors could not protect themselves from the halo array cause it messes with neural physics read this straight from halo.wikia : The Sharpened Shield was constructed by the Forerunners to protect themselves from the firing of the Halo Array, which are designed to eradicate all sentient life should the Flood escape. (If they needed to be shielded to surive then I'm going with mortal) And the pods they find Making the occupant there but also somewhere else, making him/her/"it" virtually invulnerable to any outside force. And last but not least the planet's core, where they discover a Slipspace rift that transports those who pass through it, into a miniaturized Dyson Sphere that is separated from normal space-time by advanced Forerunner Slipspace technology. Entrance to the Slipspace bubble is in countdown, after being activated by the destruction on Halo installation 04. Once the countdown is completed the entrance to the Dyson Sphere will be closed, with no means to reopen it The post from sharpened shield is from ghosts of onyx by the way. Released by Eric Nylund whom frank o'connor gave the halo bible too, when bungie was in control. Also something cool to consider is would if Hal Lindsay in ghosts of onyx in deciphering the shield world as forerunner technology was actually precursor..... I don't think it's that far of a stretch, even in contact harvest Mendicant Bias, suddenly awakens from eons of dormancy and reveals that they've been misinterpreting their findings. What the Kig-Yar thought were artifacts(of. Forerunners) were actually registering the presence of the Humans on Harvest, which it claims are Reclaimers, and refers to them as HIS MAKERS!.mmendicant bias calls humans his makers as well as reclaimers... Halo first strike by Eric Nylund says Fred discovers several symbols which, upon fred touching one with his bare, bleeding finger, ultimately opens a huge tunnel that leads into an even larger room. In the center of the room, they find a crystal. The crystal can warp space, gravity, and even time. And 343 guilty spark saying to john "you are forerunner".... Idk.... I Definitely think precursors exist, but what if humans used to be "precursors". And that is what makes them "reclaimers" because they lost something they always were. In fact think about all the human civilization in the beggining when they started before the halo vs covenant war. Where did the flood start? It started with humans.... (Frank o'connor says there is goanna be a big twist and this would for sure throw people for a loop) A big clue is in onyx tho. If what Hal Lindsay found is what she believes to be forerunner technology that effectively protectects the "forerunners" from the "halo array" and the "forerunners have that "technology" and your telling me the precursors can't protect themselves from the halo array cause of neural physics.... Seems like the "forerunners are more advanced than the "precursors".... You feeling me?

Nicely put, also someone who read the books told me that the didact put a precursor in a chamber for millions of years and effectively killed him. I don't remember anything on halo.wikia mentioning such a thing, is the information he said about the didact killing a precursor true?

1. Are the precursors the flood 2. Are they mortal or immortal 3. If they are mortal do they use Slipspace and pods to surive the halo array? Please help thanks “We meet again, young one. I am the last of those that gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago. I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed. I am the last Precursor. And our answer is at hand.” — The Primordial addressing the Ur-Didact upon their meeting. When the grave mind says destroy what is he implying?

Thanks for the reply. Do you say the above because 343 Guilty Spark says "You are Forerunner," to John-117? Although someone mentioned In the Bestarium, it makes mention that all of Spark's observations are 'Under Investigation', whereas Tangent's (Monitor of Installation 05) observations are all confirmed... Are you getting that information from Greg bears books and halo 4? I'm curious if there is any in game evidence or literary evidence when bungie was in command of the game and books(Eric nyland, William Dietz, ). That the forerunners are mortal. And the didect and the librarian are forerunners.

In halo 3 In game content by bungie the didact and the librarian conversation is in the terminal. To my knowledge it doesn't reveal they are forerunners. Most books published "the forerunner saga" by Greg bear were published after bungie left I believe. Any knowledge if the librarian and the didact were intended to be "organic, mortal, forerunners" by bungie or is this a 343 idea? Please help?

low and behold I'm not the only one who is proposing the idea above. Strangely enough someone a day prior to my post posted the same theory I propose above... You can find their discussion on halo waypoint, I will give you the link below: Site https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/db05ce78845f4120b062c50816008e5d/topics/the-didact-has-been-composed/baccfe51-0697-4e9e-b150-aaa7e7be1962/posts Now that I know I'm not the only one who's caught onto this idea I would go even further and propose even more on how if the above theory is true effects the future of halo 4,5 but mostly how it makes everything in the past halo 1,2,3, make sense. Below are my theories, questions, ideas, and guesses, toward if the above theory is true. new question did the forunner(organic) didact use the composer on himself in attempt to protect the forunners(organic) and humans from the flood but it fragmented his personality not letting him return to the organic because he became digital. Was he like the good guy in the beginning because he refused to go ahead with the "great journey" that the other forerunners wanted to. Was his intention to save the forerunners and the humans and the composer ended up doing more damage then good and his moral nature was changed and grew sour. The librarian says he wanted to save life but with a cost. I belive he might of used the composer on himself which would explain his moral nature switch from being a protector of humanity to a destroyer as he began to take humans captive and make them promethans to fight against, you guessed it humans.... This would explain a lot. Altogether if this theory is right it shows that master CHEIF is his biggest enemy cause Master CHEIF would ascend to save mankind in which possibly was the DIDACTS plan to begin with but it failed, thus there is such animosity and hatred toward master CHEIF. Sad theory too. also since didact was turned digital without being able to return to pure organic (bridged organic and digital) with his fragmented personality and moral chaotic change, he intercepted the AI to blow the whole halos up to kill all centian life and worked through 343 guilty spark and other "oracles" to persuade the prophets to do this which would have caused everyone to die except for him, it would have killed the librarian and all the other forerunners(organic/mortal) who's main intent Was to save humanity..... thus when the librarian indexed humans and they repopulated the earth he knew of this plan. Humans would soon come to the mantle of responsibility and 1.defeat didact, 2.be in charge of saving humanity.

director and everyone reading this forum. Wow, I just watched the reclaimer scene again and 343 definitely sets it up the way I suggested to director in the comment above about the didact being immortal and the librarian being mortal. And mc being immortal. Let me explain. Yes something was unlocked in MASTERCHEIF's DNA but the unlocking was him being made immortal by the composer, because the composer always effected dna(organic) to make it digital/ immortal. First I will point out the the librarian is mortal as when the didact comes on the scene he tells her " even in DEATH HER medling continues" -death signifies her mortality Now let me expound on the dialogue between the librarian and MASTERCHEIF. The librarian says "Reclaimer the gene saw I placed within you contains many gifts, including an immunity to the composer, BUT IT MUST BE UNLOCKED. (She is basically saying his organic DNA must be unlocked, and I'm thinking digitally, which the composer is meant to do) After the above dialogue MASTERCHEIF asks the librarian how? The librarian replies "your EVOLUTIONARY JOURNEY MUST BE ACCELERATED! " (what kind of evolutionary acceleration would be bigger than changing organic to digital/immortal?) Master CHEIF goes on to ask if he can defeat the didact without this evolutionary acceleration in which she replies with a big fat NO. End of dialogue above (below is conclusion pertaining to it) I believe the "unlocking of master cheofs gene saw which accelerates his "evolutionary journey" is something that happens, but the way in which MASTERCHEIF's "organic, gene saw" is unlocked is not shown or revealed. (But it is revealed subliminally). I believe the composer was used on him because MASTERCHEIF was "ALREADY COMPOSED" by Hal Lindsay who bridged the organic man to digital via biological spartan technology Lindsay came up with which you could consider a "seed the librarian indexed humans with". Contrast everything I've just said about MASTERCHEIF being composed already to the didect.... The didact "HAD" and I stress "HAD" to use the composer to CHANGE his organic to DIGITAL/MACHINE, Thus the DIDACTS personality is "FRAGMENTED" and he can't return to purely "organic". Please remember the DIDACT CANNOT RETURN to pure organic, but he is stuck being immortal, chaotic and digital. Master CHEIF on the other hand is already composed "bridged organic and digital by Hal Lindsay", but please note Master CHEIF is NOT STUCK by not being able to return to "purely organic"(mortal)... So basically the composer was used on something that ALREADY bridged the gap of organic and digital BUT was NOT fragmented and stuck not able to return to organic. All he has to do is take off his suit. So long story short master CHEIF was empowered the same way the DIDAC was so he could destroy him. Another clue to this is the composer itself. Take a look at what color it is in the scene. It is BLUE. The composer is blue and so is the beam around master CHEIF during his organic unlocking. (Did 343 give us clues?) Also if you see MASTERCHEIF during the clip of being organically unlocked/evolutionary accelerated, HE IS LIFTED OFF THE GROUND MUCH LIKE THE SAME POWER the DIDACT USES.... I think it's evident the composer was used on MASTERCHEIF. Maybe I'm wrong but I really feel 343 sets it up this way with clues and dialogue. Please comment and share what you think. I find this story very interesting if you couldn't tell. I hope you do to. Happy trails y'all. Keep keepin on. Love and peace. -mango

Director thanks! I might have to shimmy to the cutscenes of that crucial dialogue within the game via youtube maybe I missed it. When I talk to people who have read the books and have that knowledge(story insight) and remember it all my head explodes in thanksgiving in wonder. As a kid I had no idea what the story meant I was just eager to blow things up and ride warthogs ;p but zelda, that's a different story... I seriously think it's cause the story within halo is so saturated in military type language and scifi language, idk it's deep with a lot of information. Information overload to a young kid. But I'm older now? I think? Lol. Director do you think the didact used the composer on himself when forerunners where in mortal/organic form? Something tells me the didact is not organic but bridged the gap to organic to digital much like Halsey bridged the gap between organic and digital with master CHEIF..... The didact being digital would explain him messing with the radio field causing interception between the ships in the last levels. Hmmm

Anime addict thank you for presenting the information on where the precursor is mentioned. My friend told me it was mentioned in halo 3 somewhere by possibly cortana, but most literature says they fought with the forerunners but that the forerunners descended/found their source by them. But conflict between the two I believe are mentioned in the books. Thanks for your info. Wonder if they will play a role in the later series, I'm guessing they will if it's a saga. Bnus thank you for your reply, my question for you is how do we know the librarian did something with cheifs DNA? Is there dialogue in the game revealing that or is it documented in one of the books? If so what book, I know there's a lot of info on halo nation. Would be most gracious if you could answer. Thanks for your input as well. and plz take time to read it all even though it's long.My friend thought my thoughts were definitely interesting and I believe you might as well. Also consider when someone is asking multiple questions there is sometimes prior information given so that the question can be understood properly in context, and there is also sometimes reasons that are stated of why one would perceive a certain answer to the question he is asking, thus I labeled this thread IDEAS,QUESTIONS,and GUESSES so by reading it all you are reading not just my questions but my ideas and guesses much like a free flowing dialogue not a college term paper so please understand the intent of the "thread" and "title" was not titled "just straight to the point questions", but rather "ideas,questions,and guesses". I don't mean to come across mean. I think I'm a pretty understanding human not better or worse but equal to my other human brothers. Go to a thread called ideas, and you'll find questions and guesses. Go to a thread called questions, and you'll find ideas and guesses. Go to a thread called guesses, and you'll find ideas and questions. Get what I'm saying. Welcome to being human. . Spread love.

alright, I need your help community. I have a few questions? Knowing the books that were released based on halo, when bungie was reigning from halo,halo2, halo3, Odst and reach. My first question is if the whole literature about the precursors was initiated by bungie? Or just people who got the copyright to write about the series? Cause if it indeed was written by bungie you would think bungies intent would be to follow the story along with literature. Second question. Do you think 343 will use bungie literature about the precursors? Or is there any mention of them in the game itself. A part of me tells me they would keep the story to the game for the people that don't read the literature so everyone can be caught up in speed and clarity, but maybe 343 has other ideas.. Another question is why did the prophets want to destroy the halos and all centian life? Do you think these prophets were actually truthful in their plans? Or do you think they were trying to accomplish DIDACTS wishes earlier on? Or maybe go against DIDACTS plans to destroy him. In fact one could argue didact himself is organic and not digital but bridged the gap between the organic and digital by using the composer on himself cause he wanted immortality. Thus he is half machine/digital but also human. As the series says that humans are the decendants of the forerunners themselves? Organic but humans bridged the gap between from organic and digital by dr Halsey and thus MASTERCHEIF. just like promethans where humans that the didact used the composer to bridge the organic and digital. Dr Halsey is like a composer herself bridging the organic and digital. Thus spartan MASTERCHEIF is DIDACTS biggest enemy cause they share the same nature. I'm goanna take you to a dialogue between the librarian and MASTERCHEIF. Librarian "we had no way of knowing that the forerunner were not your only enemy" right before she says this she says "I am the remains of the forerunner".. So obviously there is a battle within the forerunners to threat humanity. Didect vs. the librarian. (But I don't totally trust the librarian, neither did cortana) Anyhow the coversation between MASTERCHEIF and the librarian goes on and they talk about the history of humans and how they had explored the space in conquest and started fighting other beings thus the didact captured humans and made them promethans to (organic to digital) to fight humans and stop their rebellion and haunt them. The next dialogue confuses me Librarian: " weakened from our conflict we were no match for the parasite that pursued you".... What parasite was this? Is it the flood. Weakened from the conflict? She must be talking about the conflict between the didact promethans and humans and how both humans and forerunners were not immune to the flood. Since the forerunners were organic like humans they are susceptible to the flood parasite. She goes on to say after mentioning that they (the forerunners) were no match for the flood like humans that "the forerunners made plans for a great journey" (this must be the extermination of all centian life/organic life including the forerunners themselves the flood and halo) ... Right after she mentions that the forerunners made plans for the great journey on behalf of being weakened by the flood she says "THE DIDACT REFUSED to YEILD to the MANTLE of RESPONSIBILITY" (do you think that is the great journey? Killing all centian life so none can be infected thereby saving humanity?) ... All along this conversation in spite of the forerunners being weakened by the flood cause they are organic and preparing the great journey (what is revealed to us in halo 2 and 3) the librarian says the DIDECT REFUSED. So maybe the didect did not want to kill all centian life? The librarian goes on to say that the Didact would SAVE all life in the galaxy at a cost.. (So I believe he went against the plan of the great journey) BUT at a COST it says.... But here is where is the big revalation. The librarian says "in the forerunner quest for transcendence the composer would be intended to bridge the ORGANIC (the forerunner and human) and digital realms (digital being immortal) she goes on to says IT WOULD HAVE MADE US IMMORTAL!!! the librarian to me doesn't seem immortal. But does the didect? Most certainly! Which would mean the didact used the composer on HIMSELF (bridging the organic with the digital) thus take a look at him very similar to promethans huh? And doesn't he look like an abomination? Also the librarian says the locked him away and hid the composer from him. (He indeed was an abomination) but the librarian says she hid seeds from the didact when she indexed mankind. (Mankind came from forerunners) "seeds that would lead to an EVENTUALITY. "YOUR PHYSICAL COMBAT SKIN" She tells MASTERCHEIF he is a thousand lifetimes of planning. MASTERCHEIF asks planning for what and she says immunity to the composer. Which makes me think MASTERCHEIF had immunity from the composer because of his "combat skin" (dr halseys own bridge between the organic and digital).. In fact when that beam was used on people it fried all of them but master CHEIF survived hmmm. Last but not least MASTERCHEIF asks the librarian if he can defeat the didact WITHOUT THE COMPOSER and she says NO. And he responds then DO IT! Then remember what happened something mystical happened to him? What was that? I believe it was the composer being used on him so he would share the same immunity to it as the DIDECT did, but do you know what I think it possibly could of done? It could of made MASTERCHEIF connected to The life force of the didact because the didact used it on himself to protect himself from the flood by merging the organic to the digital. Thus if didact died then master CHEIF would die. And if the didact died then master CHEIF would have died... This is all speculation but I truly think it might be moving in that direction. And isn't odd that if I am right in those conclusions how close it foreshadows harry potter and voldemort. Let me know what you think in the comments. And thank you for taking the time of reading all this. Halo is confusing as it is thus even talking about it leads into a supernova of calamity and confusion. Thanks for bearing with me. I'll bear with y'all too .... Let me know what you think of my conclusions and if they are off base to the story of the game. Like I said I'm not sure if 343 will use precursors or halo literature from bungie or not and if they do this is sure to get even more confusing. Comment. With love. - mango