slayerofall442 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I believe that I have finally figured out who the "ancient evil" that "threatens all of humanity" is! I think that it is the last Precursor. no let me explain what a Precursor is. The Precursors were a race of beings preceding and might be hologized by the Forerunner, who believed them to be theoretical "Transsentient" beings, having the ability to travel among galaxies and accelerate the evolution of intelligent life. The Precursors achieved a higher level technological advancement than the Forerunners, being Tier-0, or Transsentience on the Forerunners' Technological Achievement Scale. "We meet again, young one. I am the last of those that gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago. I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed. I am the last Precursor. And our answer is at hand." The basis for all Precursor technology is neural physics. The Precursors were the only known civilization to achieve Tier 0 of the Forerunner Technological Achievement Tiers and to exceed the Forerunner in technological advancement. They can theorecticly accelerate the evolution of all intelligent life and travel across galaxies. According to Bornsteller Makes Eternal Lasting, the Precursors were capable of engineering "orbital bridges" between planets in the same system. These are called unbending filaments. According to The Primordial, There is a possibility that Precursors are responsible for creating the Flood. Here is just some trivia (facts) about them: The term Precursor means "one that precedes and indicates the approach of another." The term supports that it surpassed the Forerunner. The Latin root word "trans" means "across" or "beyond." "Sentience" is the ability to experience sensation, and is often used to imply sapience, the ability to think. A transsentient being may thus be considered beyond any recognized being and be on the level of godhood. In Halo: The Fall of Reach, Dr. Halsey uses the term Precursor to describe the alien race that created the crystal found on Sigma Octanus IV. There is a possibility that the Precursors may have looked like or been what we call sea scorpions or eurypterids, as described by the Didact in the book Halo: Cryptum. The Precursors' concept of Neural Physics is very similar to the Biotics in Mass Effect and/or the Jedi's belief of The Force in the Star Wars universe or in Star Trek where the traveler states that matter, energy, and thought are one in the same. Overall is the belief of "Mind over Matter" through science. There is a possibility (according to the prisoner) the Flood was created by the Precursors, and would explain plausible extragalactic origins from a possible long term Precursor fail-safe plan, and not from an intergalactic Flood colony. If this is true, then it means that none of the Flood colonies in the Halo series have ever progressed past the interplanetary stage of development. A creature of similar discription is found on the secret, easter egg level in Marathon: Infinity, called "Hat's off to Eight Nineteen". The story tells of a creature nine meters tall, with four arms, and a substance in a transparent cylinder, and an invading race from the stars. 7x117=819 Now then. The Primordial. The Prisoner of Charum Hakkor, also known as The Timeless One, The Captive or The Primordial was an individual of great power detained on Charum Hakkor. Unbeknownst to most of the galaxy, this individual was thought to be the last living Precursor. However, it has now been revealed that this creature is actually a Gravemind. The Precursors got into a war with the Forerunners. The Precursors lost even though they were hundreds of years farther advanced than the Forerunners. Just before they lost, they (or so people think and I think because the Precursors had the ability to create intelligent life) created the Flood as a weapon of last resort or to get revenge on the Forerunners. Either way, it worked. There was a war between the Flood and the Forerunners and the Forerunners lost. The Forerunners were severely "biast" I guess you can say, in a good way though, towards humanity. The Forerunners completed hated on the Precursors because they were so much more advanced than they were and they wanted to kill them off and study them so that they can officially become the most technologically advanced civilization in the entire universe. And because of this, the Precursors created the Flood. And this helps that theory. The Precursors were capable of traveling from galaxy to galaxy. Hince the part that the Flood is "extragalactical in origin." But wait! The Flood might have actually killed the Precursors and not the Forerunners because in reality, the Forerunners blamed the Precursors on their creation. The Precursors created something so powerful, that they themselves could not even control it. And that part come into play when the first gravemind persuaded Mendicant Bias to betray the Forerunners. How else would a creature such as the Flood have the intelligence enough to be able to do that? To persuade a Forerunner AI to betray his creators. Also, if the Flood had a small amount of "troops" I guess you can say, than that leads to the question, Why did the Flood have so many of them when they attacked the Forerunners? There is no way possible to contain the large amount of Flood that attacked the Forerunners. They had to have killed off the Precursors and then traveled via Precursor ships and then destroyed the Forerunners. After all, the Flood lives on "life." If the Precursors were killed off by the Forerunners and the Forerunners went back to where they came from, then how else would the Flood have survived long enough to attack the Forerunners? And don't say that they were stored in test tubes because they would have had no way to be released. The Flood attack on Forerunners was a surprise. Remember? And so I come to the conclusion (I hope I do) ((I might have more stuff later on)) that the last Precursor is the "ancient evil" in Halo 4 because the Precursors hated the Forerunners in which the Forerunners loved humanity so therefore the Precursors have a hate on the Forerunners and everything they liked. Also remember that the Flood is "extragalactical" meaning able to travel from galaxy to galaxy. So Flood could be in another galaxy and the Gravemind boss or something is indeed the last Precursor. And that the symbol that was similar to the Didact's,(which I cant remember where I saw it) except the Didact's had a line underneath the middle of the symbol, was indeed the symbol of the Precursors because the Didact (whose symbol is on the trailer of Halo 4 at the end) believed very strongly in following in the footsteps of the Precursors (because he also believed very strongly in the Mantle) ((which was created by the Precursors)). So therefore he was tying to follow them and be similar to them. Anyways, any question? Let me know. By the way, here is a picture of what is thought to be a Precursor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuko 'Zarhamee Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Looks to me like you need to learn a bit more about the history of the Flood. I will give you a shortened version. The Ancient Humans and Prophets (the ones that lived before the Halo rings were fired) first found the Flood in a dust form floating in containers in space. They learned that when fed to Pheru, a popular species of pet, that they would produce desirable traits. They fed the powder to Pheru for many years, but strange things began to happen. Powdered Pheru began to have strange growths and these growths, and sometimes the entire Pheru, would be consumed by other powdered Pheru. (Pheru are naturally herbivores.) Eventually the Flood evolved into the form that we fight in Halo and fought a war against the Ancient Humans and Prophets. The Ancient Humans and Prophets discovered a way to beat the Flood. they manipulated key strands of Flood DNA, infected a third of the population, and placed them in the path of the Flood. This reprogrammed the intentions of the Flood, causing it to turn on itself. The stable Flood that remained knew that they faced their ow extinction and fled the galaxy. The Flood returned 10,000 years later and began it's conquest of the galaxy, starting the war with the Forerunners. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slayerofall442 Posted July 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Looks to me like you need to learn a bit more about the history of the Flood. I will give you a shortened version. The Ancient Humans and Prophets (the ones that lived before the Halo rings were fired) first found the Flood in a dust form floating in containers in space. They learned that when fed to Pheru, a popular species of pet, that they would produce desirable traits. They fed the powder to Pheru for many years, but strange things began to happen. Powdered Pheru began to have strange growths and these growths, and sometimes the entire Pheru, would be consumed by other powdered Pheru. (Pheru are naturally herbivores.) Eventually the Flood evolved into the form that we fight in Halo and fought a war against the Ancient Humans and Prophets. The Ancient Humans and Prophets discovered a way to beat the Flood. they manipulated key strands of Flood DNA, infected a third of the population, and placed them in the path of the Flood. This reprogrammed the intentions of the Flood, causing it to turn on itself. The stable Flood that remained knew that they faced their ow extinction and fled the galaxy. The Flood returned 10,000 years later and began it's conquest of the galaxy, starting the war with the Forerunners. I would like to say that I already knew that and I think that you have a good point. You sir are misunderstood though. You did not explain where the container held Flood came from. And yes the Flood was there because the Precursors were there too when the Ancient Humans and Ancient San Shyum were alive. So therefore please tell me where the flood spores came from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuko 'Zarhamee Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I would like to say that I already knew that and I think that you have a good point. You sir are misunderstood though. You did not explain where the container held Flood came from. And yes the Flood was there because the Precursors were there too when the Ancient Humans and Ancient San Shyum were alive. So therefore please tell me where the flood spores came from? Their most likely place of origin is that they were created by the Precursors or some other highly evolved species. If they were created by the Precursors then they were likely created long before the war with the Forerunners. Also I believe that the picture has been confirmed to not be a Precursor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slayerofall442 Posted July 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Their most likely place of origin is that they were created by the Precursors or some other highly evolved species. If they were created by the Precursors then they were likely created long before the war with the Forerunners. Also I believe that the picture has been confirmed to not be a Precursor. No. It isnt confirmed to be one ore not to be one. It is what is thought to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mega ultra geor Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUESTION! Where do the forerunners hide all this years or prometheans ? and sorry prometheans are forerunner machines And at last I am talking about 2553 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra1117 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'm pretty sure that is concept art for the Promethean Knight because it is general design is basically the same and if you listen to the part of the concept art trailer where that concept art comes from you hear a screeching sort of sound. In the E3 demo, right after the player picks up the scattershot, a knight jumps towards the player and the same screeching sound is heard, the knight even looks like that as the two arms are the small biological arms, while the bigger arms are out of view. Remember, only the left side of that frame by frame pic was seen, the right side was just flipped over. And the last precursor was killed by the Didactic so that might complicate things.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuko 'Zarhamee Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 And the last precursor was killed by the Didactic so that might complicate things.... You mean the Prisoner of Charum Hakor? That wasn't the last Precursor. It was a Gravemind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drizzy_Dan Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 You mean the Prisoner of Charum Hakor? That wasn't the last Precursor. It was a Gravemind. It was both. Precursors and Flood were the same... And different. As for the picture above on the right, it's not even a full picture. It's parts from the concept art video reflected, and pieced together in a way that it could possibly resemble a Precursor. The pic on the left is a fan-made drawing of what a Precursor is thought to look like. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeraph Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Didn't the Primordial say to the Didact that the flood will test humanity? or they will be tested which means the forerunners were tested and found they didn't meet the standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predalian5 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Very interesting. But we'll just have to wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra1117 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Well he said he was the last precursor, but when it was revealed he was a gravemind I thought precursors were just a ultra advanced god like form of flood, but your right because i think it said there were other precursors in the galaxy, so maybe the prisoner of charm hakor was just a flood infested precursor because I do believe it was a precursor somehow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeraph Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'm sure it states somewhere that the precursors gave themselves over to the the flood and that it will wait one hundred and one centuries before it will test humankind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra1117 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I think that the prisoner of charrum hakor gave itself to the flood, but I dont think it said that the other precursors who were waiting outside of the galaxy gave themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Element Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 It was both. Precursors and Flood were the same... And different. As for the picture above on the right, it's not even a full picture. It's parts from the concept art video reflected, and pieced together in a way that it could possibly resemble a Precursor. The pic on the left is a fan-made drawing of what a Precursor is thought to look like. nailed it. They are the same. I think that the Precursors are the most advanced form of the flood. They no longer become reliant on hosts and are capable of building technology. They then created the foreunners, who rebelled and wiped out the precursors. the powder that the flood came from was a failsafe plan to ensure that their species could survive. They would just have to evolve from the lowest form of their species, which is the flood that we currently know of. Didn't the Primordial say to the Didact that the flood will test humanity? or they will be tested which means the forerunners were tested and found they didn't meet the standard. and yes, this was said. The forerunners believed the Mantle was passed on to them from the Precursors. The Primordial revealed that it was really the humans who were meant to inherit the Mantle, and their worthiness would be tested by the flood. If humanity can show that they have defeated the most deadly species in their galaxy, that would show their power and prove that they should be the ones preserving the life of the galaxy. Which is inheriting the Mantle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeraph Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Well going on what Kiki said at San diego,Requiem is a "Shield world that has been breached" and "Hasn't been inhabited for a few millennium" Obviously this could mean just about anything as she could be dancing around the edges of the storyline but for now it answers a lot. "Breached" by us or by what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeraph Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Well she said "Kind of been breached" but it looks like Requiem has been going around "Hoovering" up ships and junk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VivaLebowski Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'll bet money that the main bad guy is the Didact, even though the precursors will come into the picture, dead or alive, at some point. Also, to the OP, whenever I read "I have it figured out!" I know your lying. No one has it figured out > : ( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryu♥Hayabusa Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Also, to the OP, whenever I read "I have it figured out!" I know your lying. No one has it figured out > : ( LOLZ. I need to read the Forerunner saga... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn115 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'm pretty new to the whole back story fiction to Halo but the symbol shown at the end is pretty universally known as the sign of the Didact. It appears in the 343 Halo Anniversary Edition during the Guilty Spark cut scenes when he speaks specifically of the Didact. The "planet" in the Halo 4 E3 demo is pretty obviously a shield world built to survive the firing of the rings and it's already been confirmed the enemy you're fighting are Prometheans. While I'm not genius I can put clues together. Just beyond the Ark built by the Forerunners they also built a shield world that holds what remains of their species. Since the Didact (sort of) survived via imprint and made it to the Ark 2+2 to me adds up to him running the show, and he still doesn't like Humans. Guilty Spark also makes mention in the Anniversary cut scenes that the Librarian is no longer there to "temper his rage". I guess we will find out what happened to her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slayerofall442 Posted July 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 It was both. Precursors and Flood were the same... And different. As for the picture above on the right, it's not even a full picture. It's parts from the concept art video reflected, and pieced together in a way that it could possibly resemble a Precursor. The pic on the left is a fan-made drawing of what a Precursor is thought to look like. Exactly. I wish you people would read the post. I said "Here is a picture of what is THOUGHT to be a Precursor." THOUGHT You mean the Prisoner of Charum Hakor? That wasn't the last Precursor. It was a Gravemind. But it called it the last Precursor because if you read about the Flood. The Gravemind is made up of many bodies and minds. It isn't just one single mind working to do everything. It was many minds and as I said before. The Precursors had created the Flood because they can create life, travel galaxy to galaxy, etc; and so therefore the Flood would not have had nearly enough "troops" to destroy all of the Forerunners during their war. So there is no other possible conclusion that the Flood was not controlled and killed all of the Precursors, therefore, having many Precursor brains to eat, therefore, it could have no other thoughts other than those of the Precursors. The Gravemind takes all of those brains and combines them so that it isn't constantly confused and such. I'll bet money that the main bad guy is the Didact, even though the precursors will come into the picture, dead or alive, at some point. Also, to the OP, whenever I read "I have it figured out!" I know your lying. No one has it figured out > : ( I did not lie. I said "I have it figured out! (I Think!)" Hince the part, I THINK. I'm pretty new to the whole back story fiction to Halo but the symbol shown at the end is pretty universally known as the sign of the Didact. It appears in the 343 Halo Anniversary Edition during the Guilty Spark cut scenes when he speaks specifically of the Didact. The "planet" in the Halo 4 E3 demo is pretty obviously a shield world built to survive the firing of the rings and it's already been confirmed the enemy you're fighting are Prometheans. While I'm not genius I can put clues together. Just beyond the Ark built by the Forerunners they also built a shield world that holds what remains of their species. Since the Didact (sort of) survived via imprint and made it to the Ark 2+2 to me adds up to him running the show, and he still doesn't like Humans. Guilty Spark also makes mention in the Anniversary cut scenes that the Librarian is no longer there to "temper his rage". I guess we will find out what happened to her. The Didact died along with the Librarian at the First Firing of the Halo Arrays. I believe. EDIT: This is what happened to the Librarian. The Librarian spent the last days of her life building, then deactivating and burying the portal on Earth leading to the Ark. The Librarian's destruction of the remaining Keyships left her stranded on Earth. The Librarian spent her last days near Mount Kilimanjaro, overlooking the Portal to the Ark. WAIT! The Didact was "physically" killed but he implemented his consiousness into a young builder named Bornstellar Makes Eternal Lasting. When the Contender-class artificial intelligence Mendicant Bias tested Halo Installation 07 in the Charum Hakkor system, the Halo's energies destroyed every Precursor structure on the planet, freeing the prisoner. The creature was then taken to Mendicant Bias' Halo for study; both the Halo and Mendicant Bias disappeared soon after, not to return for 43 years. During this time period, Mendicant Bias conversed with the Primordial, who in turn explained the purpose of the Flood, the nature of the Mantle, and the eons-long plan of the Precursors. During the course of this conversation, it soon became clear that the Primordial was in actuality a Gravemind, a physical embodiment of the Flood's collective consciousness. Mendicant Bias was eventually persuaded by the Primordial/Gravemind's arguments, and deliberately succumbed to rampancy. The AI then defected to the Flood, and referred to the Gravemind as its master, demonstrating its denial of the Forerunners. That prisoner was the Primordial, the Prisoner of Charum Hakkor, the Captive, or the Timeless One. The prometheans were opposed to the building of the Halo Arrays and were therefore had a political battle with the Builders lead by Master Builder Fabar. The Prometeans lost and were removed from the Ecumene Council. I think they got ticked off and went to a Forerunner shield world (Requium) and then they have survived there. But the thing is, how would they have survived for over 100,000 years? Could Bornstellar (since he has no personality of his own (except in his dreams)) have been consumed by the Flood an so his brain was powerful enough to tell the Gravemind to say that it was the last Precursor. Because the Didact believed very, very strongly in the Mantle and the Precursors. But I don't know exactly. No one does. We will just have to find out when Halo 4 comes out. But if the "ancient evil, is the last precursor, you all are going to be disappointed because I had it figured out and you were wrong! Hahahahaha! Anyways. Continue on your talks. I will be back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra1117 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Well the original Didact was killed by Faber, but his imprints remained on Bornstellar, and we can't know for sure whether or not he died during the firing of the Halo arrays. And the Didact never hated humans, it was even said that he respected the species alot, so there wouldn't be a reasons for him to hate us. And the Prometheus we fight in Halo 4 aren't the prometheans talked about in the novels, these are defense A.I.s while the ones in the books are powerful forerunners. Of course anything could have happened from the end of Priordinium to the firing of the Halo Arrays, because I think that the reason the Didact needs the librarian to temper his rage is because he is definitely ticked off, and this could have something to do with Silentium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drizzy_Dan Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I have a question slayerofall, so you already know the Primordial was a Gravemind as you stated above. So if you think he is in the game then you would think the Flood is in the game as well? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeraph Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Well 343 definitely states that the flood will not be in H4 though the story will have characters that will refer to the flood there will be no physical appearance of them at all,too bad requiem is a shield world i was hoping it was a part of the didacts point offense plans that had been co-opted or it was a mass portal generator that linked to where the last forerunners went to. Unless the primordial was able to pass on it's individual knowledge and essence to other flood units which it could have as it spent a lot of time on mendicants halo and a flood unit survived the halo pulse and managed to go intergalactic or was preserved in storage on that halo and managed to get itself to requiem,it died by the didacts hand,yet in the terminal vids it shows a halo transformed by the flood so anythings possible but i wouldn't bet anything on it. There is an idea that the precursors has thrown down a card in their game,they put something on requiem but it's only an idea in response to the OPs line of thread. Something wants off requiem and from what "sierra 1117 says" in a post from "The Cortana theory" thread, that something wants to use the infinty,well the implication is there or that something can take over the captain or subvert a human and may well have compromised requiem but can't get off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-1609 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Just one thing to say: You said that the Precursor hated humanity because Forerunner loved us. Yes and no. Forerunner didn't loved humanity. In fact, they had their own war: The human-forerunner war. Precursors didn't hated humanity. Precursors intended humans to be the new protectors of the "Mantle", and not the Forerunner. This was said by The Timeless One before being supposedly killed by the Didact. Maybe this was the true origin of the Precursor-Forerunner conflict, and the Human-Forerunner war. I think that the (supposed) Last Precursor, was not killed by the Didact. Maybe his body, but not his mind. Just as 343GuiltySpark managed to transfer his mind to another body after being destroyed, I think the Timeless One transfered his mind to another body... maybe the Gravemind... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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