Tallgeese Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 The publicly made Forge maps in so many of the Reach playlists are garbage. I really hope that 343i does not cop out and let the community continue to make unbalanced maps for mp. It was sad when Bungie gave up and let the community do all the work (bad work at that), so I hope 343i does not do the same thing down the road. I would rather pay for legit 343i made maps than have to play on garbage community made maps. There is my rant lol What do you all think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuko 'Zarhamee Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 If the maps are good enough then I feel that they should be included. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatanicBagels Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I agree. They should only include originally designed maps into Halo 4's War Games. Anything else is a cheap attempt to fill in spots that could be high quality enviroments with easy forge alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Dog Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 On a side note, your other OP in Reach is basically a duplicate and being locked. This thread gets the same thought out there and has the addition of a poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuko 'Zarhamee Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I agree. They should only include originally designed maps into Halo 4's War Games. Anything else is a cheap attempt to fill in spots that could be high quality enviroments with easy forge alternatives. If a map is good enough then it should be added. This adds variety to matchmaking and is a great way to recognize the hardcore Halo fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallgeese Posted July 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Ok Dog sounds good, I wasnt sure which one would get more activity but yeah this one has a poll so that sounds good to me I disagree Zuko, if a map is good enought than let it be for custom games but not official War Games mp. The only maps in War Games should be official 343i created and play tested maps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuko 'Zarhamee Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Ok Dog sounds good, I wasnt sure which one would get more activity but yeah this one has a poll so that sounds good to me I disagree Zuko, if a map is good enought than let it be for custom games but not official War Games mp. The only maps in War Games should be official 343i created and play tested maps. Why not include them? If they meet the standards then there is no reason not to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallgeese Posted July 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I personally do not think they hould be included. If one is included than others will demand that theirs are good enough and should be included as well. And if 343i says no it was a one time deal than they will be confronted with others demanding why not? it is easier to just create well balanced maps by 343i and only allows those of theirs. Besides, doesnt the LE says that it comes with future map pack content which implies that 343i is already planning on making more official maps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuko 'Zarhamee Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I personally do not think they hould be included. If one is included than others will demand that theirs are good enough and should be included as well. And if 343i says no it was a one time deal than they will be confronted with others demanding why not? it is easier to just create well balanced maps by 343i and only allows those of theirs. Besides, doesnt the LE says that it comes with future map pack content which implies that 343i is already planning on making more official maps? 343 can always say no. Besides, we have no contact info for them so nobody could demand that theirs are good enough. And of course they'e gonna make some more map packs. It's a win for everyone. They get money and we get more maps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallgeese Posted July 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Oh yeah I am not complaining about the map packs to be introduced later. I bought the LE and am excited for all aspects coming with it. In my opinion, Halo 3 did well and still is doing well withought community made maps in official playlists. When Bungie introduced community maps to Reach, it was just their way of handing over the reigns to 343i and giving up work on Halo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuko 'Zarhamee Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Oh yeah I am not complaining about the map packs to be introduced later. I bought the LE and am excited for all aspects coming with it. In my opinion, Halo 3 did well and still is doing well withought community made maps in official playlists. When Bungie introduced community maps to Reach, it was just their way of handing over the reigns to 343i and giving up work on Halo. Yeah Bungie really wasn't very good to Halo near the end. I've seen maps that are hundreds of times better than the forge maps in matchmaking. They also could have balanced things better and worked out some of the more annoying glitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallgeese Posted July 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Agreed Zuko, Bungie really dropped the ball towards the end. If not for Halo and M$, they could have gone out with a bang for the community who gave them all the support. But hopefully 343i will learn from Bungie's mistakes and truly rely on and appreciate the community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbit Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I think it should it gives you more choice over maps rather than the same old maps 247 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedStarRocket91 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I don't agree that all Forge maps are 'garbage'. Look at some of the MLG Forge maps - they're absolutely fantastic competitive spaces, and a great deal better than some of the geometrically-formed maps like 'Reflection' and 'Zealot', which I think most people will agree aren't very good. Sure, there are plenty of bad Forged maps. 'Uncaged' immediately springs to mind, as do 'Atom', 'Cliffhanger', 'Enclosed' and 'Think Twice'. But that is, simply, not the whole story. Take a map like 'Synapse', which is well balanced, caters to a range of playstyles, works well with either Slayer or Objective and with any number of players. It also looks a darn sight prettier than a lot of the non-Forged maps, and has far fewer exploits, glitches, and flow-breaking points to boot (Sword Base lift room, anyone?). It could also be that you're looking in the wrong places. We have a great Forge section on this very website, with some really clever user-created maps; you could start by having a look at 'Emerge' and 'Pillar of Donut', both of which are extremely well made and provide a fantastic competitive spaces. If a map is good enough to be included, it should be. Just because something is made in Forge shouldn't automatically disqualify it from being included in Matchmaking, especially if it provides a new or interesting experience. Matchmaking should be composed of the best maps available, not the ones with the least amount of Forge objects. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallgeese Posted July 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I did not say least amount of Forge objects. If 343i uses forge to make a map than by all means use it. But the majority of forge maps that are featured in Reach playlists are garbage. The ones listed such as 'Emerge' and "Pillar of Donut' are not apparent within the playlists. The ones that are apparent within the playlists such as 'Uncaged' 'Atom' and 'Cliffhanger' etc are indeed terrible. If 343i uses forge to make a map and it is balanced and good, than by all means use it and implement it into the playlists. But Halo 3 survived and is still going strong without community made maps. Community made maps were only introduced when Bungie gave up and moved on from Halo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryu♥Hayabusa Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I saw many community made maps in Halo 3 before they left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallgeese Posted July 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 @Ryu: Yes there indeed community made maps in Halo 3, but they were not in any official playlist. BTB, SLayer, Objective, etc. They were in cutom games all over, but not official playlists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedStarRocket91 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 @Ryu: Yes there indeed community made maps in Halo 3, but they were not in any official playlist. BTB, SLayer, Objective, etc. They were in cutom games all over, but not official playlists They actually had quite a lot of variants on Sandbox in the Social playlists, and even on a few occasions in the Competitive ones. Social Big Team was absolutely full of Forge maps. Anyway, provided there's a good system in place that ensures we get more good, balanced maps like Synapse, MLG Nexus and Treasury, and less like Atom, Cliffhanger and Uncaged, I don't think there's a problem. New Forge maps, if they're well-designed, offer new experiences which keep matchmaking fresh and exciting and stop it getting too repetitive. Again, check our very own Map Room to see some examples of what the community can actually create - some of them aren't so good, some of them really deserve to be in Matchmaking. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikslik7 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I believe that 343i should only alow maps that are downloaded by many and are balanced. they should insert very few within the first 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Loser Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 If there very good balanced fun and all around great map's then yes they should keep adding community made map's but they should test them or make another playlist for community map testing to see i they are balanced and well made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikslik7 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I personally do not think they hould be included. If one is included than others will demand that theirs are good enough and should be included as well. And if 343i says no it was a one time deal than they will be confronted with others demanding why not? it is easier to just create well balanced maps by 343i and only allows those of theirs. Besides, doesnt the LE says that it comes with future map pack content which implies that 343i is already planning on making more official maps? The LE map packs will allow you to get a free download code when the map packs come out. 343I has said that they have two map pakcs almost done, but still need lots of testing and will change based on how people are playing Halo 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallgeese Posted July 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 if they do allow community made maps after the 3 map packs mentioned in the LE of Halo4, they need to be thoroughly play tested. Uncaged, Atom, and Cliffhanger are indeed garbage 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I think they should keep the community maps, though in a separate playlist. But no community maps would be in normal playlists like BTB or Infection etc. So community would have their own playlist with random gametypes and maps. Also i think that when you can make a map that other players can play in Matchmaking, keeps up the spirit for players to forge and play halo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerribleTimbo Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 If a forged map comes along that is all around better than a shipped map then I don't see why it shouldn't be introduced into matchmaking. Hopefully 343 will have higher standards when choosing what maps to let into Halo 4 than what was seen in Reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallgeese Posted July 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 i agree with Jerry, they should have a community map playlist if they do indeed add community maps to Halo 4 mp. They should not be a part of other playlists, but have their own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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