Zangor's Timeline Rant - PLEASE PROOVE ME WRONG!

[Zangor]

So I would like to start this rant by saying that anything I say can be made valid or invalid by simply finding a datestamp, or atleast finding somewhere it states when Forward Unto Dawn takes place.

 

After watching the first two episodes back to back I got to thinking about how much of this seems so... broken.

 

It is heavily implied (if not directly stated) that the major conflict of the time is the Insurrectionist War against the UNSC.

There are many references to known theaters of war durring the fighting between the Insurrectionists and the UNSC, mainly from the main protagonists brother's video letters.

 

Now to point out some fun dates and facts. (all taken from http://halostory.bun...y.timeline.html, which I can only assume is pretty official).

 

2494: First rebel insurrection in Eridanus system.

 

This is the date given to the first conflict between the UNSC and the "Innies", three years after the ORION project, and a whopping 31 years before the first contact with the Covenant.

 

2513: Second rebel insurrection in Eridanus system, led by Colonel Robert Watts.

 

This event takes place 12 years before First Contact, and four years before the start of the Spartan-II program.

 

2525: First Contact at Harvest, Spartan-II augmentations, Spartan-II group captures Colonel Robert Watts, Covenant Declaration of War, Project Mjolnir.

 

2525 is arguably the most important date in the Halo lore, the S-IIs are now at an approximate age of 12-14 (had to almost triple check the math there, but it is correct as an approximation for the entire group of S-IIs) and right up until the end of Halo 3 at the beginning of 2553 there is widespread chaos and destruction caused by the Covenant juggernaut.

 

Now taking all this into consideration, where would Forward Unto Dawn take place? I would guess the year to be somewhere after the start of the Second Insurrection, around 2514-15. Which would make sense in the timeline because no one is pressured by the thought of the extermination of humanity.

 

In comes my biggest fear, brought to life. We see the Master Friggen Cheif, Spartan-117, as is clearly marked on his Mark SIX (what?!) Mjolnir armor. So we have a suit of armor brought some thirty years in the past, equipped by a 4 or 5 year old version of the Chief?

 

I'm all for good entertainment, but when you are a new company trying to take a VERY well known and loved game, spin out a new trilogy, and attempt at a live-action series, I would think you would, check your facts, check the timeline, make sure every detail is PERFECT to bring some credibility to yourselves. If we end up seeing the Chief having shields on his armor durring the next episode, I'm turing it off and changing my reservation to the normal copy of Halo 4, because you would have shamed yourselves and us by letting this go.

 

As stated, please someone come up with some credible ideas or counters to any of this, because I really want to be proven wrong. I WANT to have faith in this company to do well, and having them make this go against known events like this really makes me scared of trusting them to do me right with a game I love.

[Sierra1117]

So I would like to start this rant by saying that anything I say can be made valid or invalid by simply finding a datestamp, or atleast finding somewhere it states when Forward Unto Dawn takes place.

 

After watching the first two episodes back to back I got to thinking about how much of this seems so... broken.

 

It is heavily implied (if not directly stated) that the major conflict of the time is the Insurrectionist War against the UNSC.

There are many references to known theaters of war durring the fighting between the Insurrectionists and the UNSC, mainly from the main protagonists brother's video letters.

 

Now to point out some fun dates and facts. (all taken from http://halostory.bun...y.timeline.html, which I can only assume is pretty official).

 

2494: First rebel insurrection in Eridanus system.

 

This is the date given to the first conflict between the UNSC and the "Innies", three years after the ORION project, and a whopping 31 years before the first contact with the Covenant.

 

2513: Second rebel insurrection in Eridanus system, led by Colonel Robert Watts.

 

This event takes place 12 years before First Contact, and four years before the start of the Spartan-II program.

 

2525: First Contact at Harvest, Spartan-II augmentations, Spartan-II group captures Colonel Robert Watts, Covenant Declaration of War, Project Mjolnir.

 

2525 is arguably the most important date in the Halo lore, the S-IIs are now at an approximate age of 12-14 (had to almost triple check the math there, but it is correct as an approximation for the entire group of S-IIs) and right up until the end of Halo 3 at the beginning of 2553 there is widespread chaos and destruction caused by the Covenant juggernaut.

 

Now taking all this into consideration, where would Forward Unto Dawn take place? I would guess the year to be somewhere after the start of the Second Insurrection, around 2514-15. Which would make sense in the timeline because no one is pressured by the thought of the extermination of humanity.

 

In comes my biggest fear, brought to life. We see the Master Friggen Cheif, Spartan-117, as is clearly marked on his Mark SIX (what?!) Mjolnir armor. So we have a suit of armor brought some thirty years in the past, equipped by a 4 or 5 year old version of the Chief?

 

I'm all for good entertainment, but when you are a new company trying to take a VERY well known and loved game, spin out a new trilogy, and attempt at a live-action series, I would think you would, check your facts, check the timeline, make sure every detail is PERFECT to bring some credibility to yourselves. If we end up seeing the Chief having shields on his armor durring the next episode, I'm turing it off and changing my reservation to the normal copy of Halo 4, because you would have shamed yourselves and us by letting this go.

 

As stated, please someone come up with some credible ideas or counters to any of this, because I really want to be proven wrong. I WANT to have faith in this company to do well, and having them make this go against known events like this really makes me scared of trusting them to do me right with a game I love.

the armr chief is wearing isn't Mk. VI, I think it's Mk. II or III

[Zangor]

The Mk-I Mjolnir was a power loader, the Mk-II was an armed and armored version of the Mk-I, the Mk-III was what the trainers were using in the bunkers on reach durring the "capture the flag" exersize, which is a bulky suit of power armor hooked up to a fusion generator via a long cable. The first suit of Mjolnir armor the S-IIs recieved was the Mk-IV, unshielded, looks even simpler than the Mk-V, which is what the Chief was using durring the events of the original Halo game. The one seen in the Forward Unto Dawn trailers bears all the visual characteristics of the Mk-VI versus the Mk-IV, or Mk-V.

 

This is the supposed Mark-four. Used by the Spartans of Halo Wars.

 

 

This is the Mark-five used by the Chief in Halo: Combat Evolved (Anniversary pic used)

 

 

The Mark-Six (Used in Halo 2 and 3, this pic is from 3)

 

 

And the Armor from Forward Unto Dawn

 

 

I would say they took the Mk-VI from Halo 3, and touched it up to 'sorta' match to the Halo 4 Mk-VI(?) (edit: looked at a pic of the Halo 4 armor, looks nothing similar)

[Sierra1117]

It's been confirmed its MK. IV because 343 said it was the armor John wore in the Package, and that was the MK. IV, so it's been confirmed its the MK. IV, and the two sets of armor even look the same

[The Director]

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You are right, there are going to be some mismatched things with the canon. While this disappoints me, I still look forward to the rest of Forward Unto Dawn. A couple of things that didn't add up for me would be,"Why is he wearing MKVI armor", and "how have the trainee's not heard of the covenant at the time, when the covenant had already glassed Harvest and humanity had declared war on them?"

 

While this doesn't make complete sense, it's still an amazing story thus far. And who knows, maybe they will have an answer later in the series. Halo has usually been very good with keeping the canon airtight, with the only exception thus far being Halo Reach. A couple minor slip ups in their first time doing a live action series doesn't bother me nearly as much as what happened with Reach, so I'm willing to overlook it.

[Tallgeese]

Meh you nailed it early in your post, its entertainment and for as much as 343i says they try and stay close to the canon, M$ would rather just make a ton of money off of Halo, its real cash cow

[WonderWombat]

It has to take place right after Chi Ceti. It is the only way I see it making sense.

 

Now there are two possible explanations at least the way I see it.

 

Having a whole planet getting burned down isn't a very good thing, so just announcing this wouldn't be the best course of action. So I imagine that the higher command people surely know of the Covenant, but it could be possible that they are withholding this indo from the lowly recruits until they know more about it.

 

Or a much simpler explanantion, the Covenant blocked communications of the planet.

 

Also John is wearing Mk IV armor though the creators of the package are stupid and made it look just like Mk VI armor. Anyways this means that Chief has gone through the battle of Chi Ceti, so in while they Soartans are doing whatever they somehow find out about the Covenant at whereever and head over there.

[Legit Ewok]

It has to take place right after Chi Ceti. It is the only way I see it making sense.

 

Now there are two possible explanations at least the way I see it.

 

Having a whole planet getting burned down isn't a very good thing, so just announcing this wouldn't be the best course of action. So I imagine that the higher command people surely know of the Covenant, but it could be possible that they are withholding this indo from the lowly recruits until they know more about it.

 

Or a much simpler explanantion, the Covenant blocked communications of the planet.

 

Also John is wearing Mk IV armor though the creators of the package are stupid and made it look just like Mk VI armor. Anyways this means that Chief has gone through the battle of Chi Ceti, so in while they Soartans are doing whatever they somehow find out about the Covenant at whereever and head over there.

 

Well its obvious they are withholding the information in episode 3 because we see the videos of them in combat with the covenant, and sully has been piecing together those videos since the first episode.

[Zangor]

So taking what we know, and adding in what Episode 3 showed us.

 

This takes place sometime in 2525-2529 (I personally assume late 2525, or very early into 2526), because of the Mk-IV Mjolnir clad Spartans, we can also assume that the ONI censorship has indeed kept the Covenant a secret from just about everyone. Which... brings alot of questions to a close. I think I really jumped the gun on this rant, because Episode 3 really kinda brought all my doubts to a close. The cadets did not know of the alien threat, and the Spartans have not been made public for moral purposes. I think I need to make an apology to 343i for doubting them before seeing the end, so here's to a good last couple episodes of Forward Unto Dawn, and a great new Halo game!