Halo 4 Multiplayer

[ThisCrackerKils]

I just dont understand why the halo franchise has deviated so far away from what made i successful... so dumb.

Like anything its boils down to money. Bungie got tired of being outsold by COD games. COD appeals to more people becuse its a casual game. You dont have to be good to max out your prestige either (which is a joke). In essence, they sold out for the people who sucked at previous halo games. I was one of them. The highest skill I achieved in H2 was a 40. And a 45 in Halo 3. I knew I wasnt very good. But I am SUPER competitive and always played because I wanted to win.

I am far older than most of the kids on this board so I can say this. My generation, guys like Walshy and T2 we are competitive. There was no priize for just playing. The prize was winning. But the new generation is too ADD to stick with a game they are not really good at and practice. They are an entitled bunch that want instant gratification.

Halo used to be about skill. Everyone started with the same weapons, there were power weapons on the map which required skill and MAP CONTROL to obtain. That is all gone now. Halo 3 started it with the power drain and crap like that. Its gotten way out of hand.

Skill is no longer the biggest factor in winning the game. Its a game for the masses, not the competitive skilled players that used to love this game. 343 has failed thus far with this game. Or at least add a playlist that gets rid of all the crap. The new graphics are cool, but thats really all i bought it for. I still want the old competitive game play. And for crying out loud, make some decent maps...everything is too big. Its a freaking camp fest so far.

end/rant

[Haifisch]

It's true that 343 are a business and they are out to make money. However they have to realize the way to keep making money is to keep the consumers happy. If you just go for the casual gamers they tend to move on with each new release therefore not really going to buy any of there DLC. If you don't give the competitive players what they want they will move on elsewhere and look for other games to play that make them feel like they are working for something..

 

I also will be older than a lot of the people in this forum and have been a Halo fan since Day dot.. I was truly Shocked and disappointed with Bungies last ever game (Reach) It took everything out of what was Halo to me.

 

As I keep saying we will just have to hope that they get the ranking system right but if they fail that the game it dead to me... I hope they make a playlist with Weapons on the maps no "Perks" no Loadouts and most certainly no Drop in/Drop out system.

 

We can only hope they manage to listen to the more competitive player and give them what they really want.. I don't mind the casual gamers having what they like but please remember the competitive player the Bungie seemed to forget...

[ButchCassidy338]

Like anything its boils down to money. Bungie got tired of being outsold by COD games. COD appeals to more people becuse its a casual game. You dont have to be good to max out your prestige either (which is a joke). In essence, they sold out for the people who sucked at previous halo games. I was one of them. The highest skill I achieved in H2 was a 40. And a 45 in Halo 3. I knew I wasnt very good. But I am SUPER competitive and always played because I wanted to win.

I am far older than most of the kids on this board so I can say this. My generation, guys like Walshy and T2 we are competitive. There was no priize for just playing. The prize was winning. But the new generation is too ADD to stick with a game they are not really good at and practice. They are an entitled bunch that want instant gratification.

Halo used to be about skill. Everyone started with the same weapons, there were power weapons on the map which required skill and MAP CONTROL to obtain. That is all gone now. Halo 3 started it with the power drain and crap like that. Its gotten way out of hand.

Skill is no longer the biggest factor in winning the game. Its a game for the masses, not the competitive skilled players that used to love this game. 343 has failed thus far with this game. Or at least add a playlist that gets rid of all the crap. The new graphics are cool, but thats really all i bought it for. I still want the old competitive game play. And for crying out loud, make some decent maps...everything is too big. Its a freaking camp fest so far.

end/rant

 

i think this pretty much sums up how i feel. i have faith in 343 to fix the issues with a competitive playlist in the near future. all they need is the halo 3 model for playlists and ranks. nobody knew how halo 3 came up with your rank, it just worked (for the most part). and their playlists were perfect cause you could go into your ranked games, and if you were struggling, wanted to warm up, or just wanted to play for fun, you could go to a social playlist.

[buffy the spartan buffalo]

ok this is kinda making me mad cause halo 4 multiplayer is not dumbed down to COD. it shouldnt even be compared to COD! Halo is it's own genre and personally i think it's the best multiplayer since 2 and 3. and no 343 wanted to keep the franchise going, microsoft wanted the money. and halo 4 is still very competitive. why can't you guys just enjoy the game for like 5 seconds and stop trolling on all the bad stuff.

[Taylor Nichol]

There is just something a bit off about it...it doesn't really feel like halo multiplayer. The campaign is amazing though, new enemies and weapons spice it up a bit but it feels right at least.

[TornadoFlame]

halo 3 is the only game i bough every dlc for because of how much i loved it. I'm liking halo 4 so far but the more i play it the more i just hope we get are ranking system visable one with a legit gametypes and not this ordance drops and random map drops or instant respawns. I hope i don't have to buy black ops 2 because a game company can not listen to its fan base.

[Ren]

I Have yet to play halo 4 multiplayer i have been watching my buddy play the hell out of it and i do agree that the game looks and feels like CoD. what i dont agree with is that in a lot of posts people are bashing Halo Reach which was extremely fun and entartaining and everyone saying that Halo 2 & 3 Multiplayer were better. I Played Halo 3 Multiplayer amd was not impressed. Reach was by far a better multiplayer experience. Halo 4 does have its issues but voice your complaints long enough and hopefully someone will listen. Because honestly most games are unbalenced at launch.

[ThisCrackerKils]

ok this is kinda making me mad cause halo 4 multiplayer is not dumbed down to COD. it shouldnt even be compared to COD! Halo is it's own genre and personally i think it's the best multiplayer since 2 and 3. and no 343 wanted to keep the franchise going, microsoft wanted the money. and halo 4 is still very competitive. why can't you guys just enjoy the game for like 5 seconds and stop trolling on all the bad stuff.

Are you freaking serious? There are no weapons or ammo on the map. And the ones that are there are marked so you know where an enemy is if they grab it (which is like GOW). You only start with one freaking hand grenade? Grenades have been a staple for Halo since CE and being good with grenades was vital for success in the other installments (except of course for that POS Reach). The grenades dont bounce with consistancy, and you cant bank them off walls like you used to. Halo had a feel and was the most popular game on the MLG circut. Then reach hit and what happened? Enough said.

You are probably a younger kid and dont get it. You will one day when they take a game what was solely based on competitiveness, and make it a game for noobs.

I play just as much COD as I do Halo....actually more COD since Reach came out and I almost threw it in the garbage can....And the last two halo games remind me, and a lot of other longtime Halo players, of COD.

The last point I will make is how many designers from Treyarch work for 343. Thread over

[Benchimus]

here are the problems i have with halo 4

 

1. No ammo on the maps for my weapon. What is this i kill 3 people only to have to die because i have ran out of ammo i shouldn't have to beable to go loot peoples body for ammo this is halo where are the weapons on the map!

2.drop in drop out. this is a 50/50 feature for me. i dced in a game with friends and because of this joined in but when i go in alone i join into peoples who are down by to much to come back i think we need a option when searching if we wanna drop in or out of games this helps all because if your in a game and someone quit u can just invite a friend to help you out and i wont have to suffer a kd and a loss on my record because i joined a game being down 20.

3. This game MUST HAVE a RANKED VISABLE playlist. i do not care how it is done this is the sole reason i spent 2 weeks on reach and 3-4 years on halo 3 i should not have to exit out of halo 4 after every game only to go see if my rank went up. this is the make or break in halo 4 if black ops ranking system is good and visable and halo 4 is not i feel it will be goodbye halo 4...

4. randon weapon spawning.. In a team game map controll is key and holding power weapons this element out currently is nothing i have played many people who just sit and camp at there spawn because everything is random. this needs to go back to halo we need weapon on the maps power weapons.

5. death cams i know death cams useless because 50 percent of the time they don't work.

6. i am fine with the load outs because it seems in slayer pro its Not there so casual get something which is fun and competetive community gets are settings.

7. 4 people can't veiw my video on h4 is it still only 1 now? this is dumb i don't ever plan to go to threater with myself i liked to go with friends to who them so they see what i see and i know they see it with me.

8. custom k/d all i can say is Really?

 

these are the problems i have with the game don't get me wrong This game is fun and amazing i think they did what reach failed to do in terms of everything. reach is the reason i decided to buy and get into the crapy call of duty games. but i feel if halo 4 ranking system is only waypoint no one can see it and i can not compare my skills to the emeny team i am playing i will have to go to black ops 2 to get a ranking system.. and i preordered h4 and only rented black ops 2 i hope 343 does the right thing and just gives us what we want.

While I too will eagerly be awaiting a 1-50 like systems implementation, I like the idea of making it only visible on waypoint. Is it really that much of a chore or do you just want to show it off to people? Do you really need to check it after every game? Would you knowing what it is after every game change how well you would play? Play several games in a row and then go check it. If you really cared about getting your number up as high as possible and not just trying to show off to people, this wouldnt be much of a problem for you.

[Dawn Wolf]

Read a lot of pretty silly things in this thread.

 

1. Halo 4 does not play like Call of Duty

Even with Loadouts, abilities, drop in, etc. the actual game plays NOTHING like CoD. And I've played a **** TON of CoD and Halo. Halo will never play like CoD until we have ADS based firefights. Which we don't. And will never have.

 

2. CoD has lots of tactics and requires skill

While not to the same degree as Halo, there's deep things going on in CoD too. That's why some reams WRECK shop all day. It's called skill. Halo isn't the only game to have it.

[Haifisch]

Read a lot of pretty silly things in this thread.

 

1. Halo 4 does not play like Call of Duty

Even with Loadouts, abilities, drop in, etc. the actual game plays NOTHING like CoD. And I've played a **** TON of CoD and Halo. Halo will never play like CoD until we have ADS based firefights. Which we don't. And will never have.

 

2. CoD has lots of tactics and requires skill

While not to the same degree as Halo, there's deep things going on in CoD too. That's why some reams WRECK shop all day. It's called skill. Halo isn't the only game to have it.

 

I have to disagree CoD to me takes no Skill at all to play it just a case of who sees who first as you can't out UMP someone like you can out DMR/BR someone in Halo.. .

 

I will agree that Halo plays different to CoD but you can't denie that Halo Reach and Halo 4 have been Influenced in a Negative way by the CoD franchise. Loadouts make the start of the game unfair, No weapon Spawns on the map give people no need to move around the map making for a campyier style of play. Drop in/ Drop out is useless it starts so many games uneven and puts you in so many losing games which is just stupid..

 

You can keep the drop in/drop out system if you want for Social games but it must be goen for ranked it's unfair %100 to have a loss put against you when you get in the game half way through..

 

I just don't understand why the felt the need to change the game so much from the likes of Halo2/3 ... Reach became dull pretty fast and Halo 4 will end up going the same way if they fail to make a proper decent 1 - 50 ranking system that is visible to everyone.. Being able to see someones rank is not about showing off its about known how to prepare for the task ahead .. You can normally judge how tough a match will be by the player service record along with they rank..

 

Again all This is just my opinion on things but I strongly Believe having a good meaniful ranking system makes the game live longer...

 

ok this is kinda making me mad cause halo 4 multiplayer is not dumbed down to COD. it shouldnt even be compared to COD! Halo is it's own genre and personally i think it's the best multiplayer since 2 and 3. and no 343 wanted to keep the franchise going, microsoft wanted the money. and halo 4 is still very competitive. why can't you guys just enjoy the game for like 5 seconds and stop trolling on all the bad stuff.

 

There is nothing competetive about this game if you win you rank up if you lose you rank up there is no need to win just like CoD/Battlefield and all the other boring Exp Games...

[ButchCassidy338]

It doesn't PLAY like CoD but they definitely tried to cater to that crowd. My team (usually 3 of us) get stuck 3vs4 so many times and its not fair at all.

 

I'm sure it'll all change once ranked playlists come along tho. Just gotta deal with it for now.

[Twisted Oracle]

I like how so many people are making forum accounts to trash a wonderful game.

 

If you don't like the game don't play it

 

Most of you cry and complain but end up playing the game anyway

 

All this whining reminds me of the CoD fan base

[O-Bot_Monty]

Initial thoughts after an hour of Slayer Infinity:

 

Instant respawn should definitely go. As for the rest, I hear what people are saying but it's too early to tell. It'll probably grow. It feels like there's less tactics/teamwork involved and more sprinting around with the saw aiming at nothing in particular (hey that's what I've been doing) but we're just getting used to it. We'll adapt and get new strategies together and then probably never look back.

 

If you really miss slow games and camping out for hours with the sniper doing **** all you can always play reach, assuming you haven't traded it in for a *** porno.

[bpstiff]

"Posted 07 November 2012 - 05:18 PM by PTRACK

Easy Fixes to this game:

 

1) No drop-in/drop-out matchmaking.

2) No random weapon drops- let people control the weapons put on the map that should be there by default

3) Make more playlists that involve less loadout driven gameplay.

 

Halo is Halo, CoD is CoD.

I agree with Dustin's statement: "Halo has always been in a different category than COD and Battlefield. I own all these games to switch to the game i feel like playing at the time. I dont want Halo to become a game that caters to the masses to bring in more people playing."

 

343, you didn't by any means make a bad game. I do enjoy playing it, but what you did was include too many things that stray from what makes Halo Halo. THe halo fans will always be halo fans just because of the name, so don't try building something that isn't halo.

 

Please consider my 3 points as I speak for a VAST majority of the MP community."

 

 

Hey dumbass, you don't speak for the "VAST majority of the MP community." Don't make assumptions. You know what they say.. when you assume you make an ASS out of yourself, you ASS.

 

Halo 4 is an amazing as is. There do not need to be changes. If you want the style of gameplay you've mentioned, then go play H3 or Reach. The servers are still up and people still play those games. If you don't like H4, then don't play it. It's simple. But don't go telling the developers that you "represent the masses" and feel the game should be changed. That's just stupid and irresponsible.

[Haifisch]

For me all the new stuff like loadouts/Drop in Drop out and Ordinace drops can stay in Social as that is where that stuff belongs for all the people that just want to mess around or play fun and not Rank.

 

As for the Ranked playlist I hope all this nonesence is removed and we just get back to basics I.e weapons on Map/ Re Spawn time/ No Kill Cam Or Drop in Drop out .. If 343 do this I believe they will be catering to bot partyies just like Halo 3 Did ..

 

Here Hoping *Fingers Crossed*

[Achievables]

I agree with the above 110%, i hate how halo 4 plays out to me i feel like im playing call of duty or battlefield just sprinting a round throwing grenades, shooting a few people until i run out of ammo then die and repeat over and over and over and over and over again, you get the point its repetitive and boring and at the same time because its an exp system to me it dose not matter if i win or lose but if i win i get an extra few hundred exp whoop whoop.

 

yeah in short i see no difference between halo 4's, all call of duty's and all battlefield's multi[layer, simply because of the exp system and that fact that my kill/death ratio dose not matter nor my win/lose ratio and on all theses games the only thing you get for winning is extra exp then if you lost, which to me is no reason to keep playing the game.

 

where as with halo 3's ranking system i loved levelling up my account to as high as i could possibly get it too and knowing that if i won i would rank up and if i lost id rank down which kept me motivated and determined to win in order to rank up my highest skill and halo 3's ranking system kept me entertained for about 3 years and i still occasionally go back to halo 3 just because of the sheer motivation it has over me to win and improve on my highest skill.

[Spacemobile]

Switched between Halo 4, Mw3 and Halo: Reach and DAS IT MANE. This is basically Black Ops 2 further into the future after Black Ops 2's events.

[Achievables]

Switched between Halo 4, Mw3 and Halo: Reach and DAS IT MANE. This is basically Black Ops 2 further into the future after Black Ops 2's events.

 

yeah just without the black ops 2 league playlist ranking system.

[Zanderos]

For me all the new stuff like loadouts/Drop in Drop out and Ordinace drops can stay in Social as that is where that stuff belongs for all the people that just want to mess around or play fun and not Rank.

 

This. 1000 times this. This is the main reason I don't like this game. Everything else is pretty damn cool, except for this.

[Benchimus]

 

This. 1000 times this. This is the main reason I don't like this game. Everything else is pretty damn cool, except for this.

Agreed. Drop in/out, loadouts, and ordnance would be fine in a social playlist. In fact, I actually would like them in that case. But when they bring back the 1-50, I hope they keep that all far away.

[Haifisch]

Well this just takes the biscuit just had a game start up with me Vs 3 other people they were all searching together too.. This Drop in/Drop out system is just ridiculous ....

[buffy the spartan buffalo]

Well this just takes the biscuit just had a game start up with me Vs 3 other people they were all searching together too.. This Drop in/Drop out system is just ridiculous ....

your ridiculous

 

Are you freaking serious? There are no weapons or ammo on the map. And the ones that are there are marked so you know where an enemy is if they grab it (which is like GOW). You only start with one freaking hand grenade? Grenades have been a staple for Halo since CE and being good with grenades was vital for success in the other installments (except of course for that POS Reach). The grenades dont bounce with consistancy, and you cant bank them off walls like you used to. Halo had a feel and was the most popular game on the MLG circut. Then reach hit and what happened? Enough said.

You are probably a younger kid and dont get it. You will one day when they take a game what was solely based on competitiveness, and make it a game for noobs.

I play just as much COD as I do Halo....actually more COD since Reach came out and I almost threw it in the garbage can....And the last two halo games remind me, and a lot of other longtime Halo players, of COD.

The last point I will make is how many designers from Treyarch work for 343. Thread over

actually thread not over you can still bounce grenades off walls and pick up fallen spartans ammo now the thread is over.

[Haifisch]

your ridiculous

 

actually thread not over you can still bounce grenades off walls and pick up fallen spartans ammo now the thread is over.

 

Emmm Okay so you don't find it stupid that it starts a game with unfair teams... You must need all the help you can get to win a game.. End of the day a game should only start when It has the correct amount of people for the chosen playlist ...

[Zanderos]

I don't "mind" ordinance drops - I just wish there were other playlists to choose from...

 

Specifically ones that have no loadouts, no ordinances, etc. Just barebones old school Halo.