Ok I'm back to halo reach. I give up on 4

[Balloonloons]

Ok. This isn't another hate or rant thread. This is a very sad thread. I'm actually sad about this beause halo is a game I've loved for 10 years. I feel like halo 4 is the girlfriend that broke up with me. I'm not going into too many details but the game just feels awful online.

 

Dmr has made it nearly impossible to play unless your up against people who never played a fps ever. Sounds like a good idea to have a super powerful gun that is 100% accurate from across the map. Until 12 people all have the same gun and it becomes impossible to stick your head out of a base.

 

Next the perks are so horrible. I have to choose to make grenades stronger or to pick them up from bodies when they should already be strong and should already be picked up like a gun when you kill someone.

 

I am a game designer myself and I can't believe a whole team of people working on one game would make such awful decisions on so many things in this game.

 

The UI is way too overdone! These menus are complicated for no reason. Who designed these? Look back at halo reach for a beautifully designed interface were you actually know what you're looking at.

 

There are so many more issues I have but it boils down to this. This game is not halo. You were handed a Mercedes and you made a ford out of it. Yea they both drive but that's about it.

 

What a shame because the right people will never be making halo again. That makes me sad because it saying goodbye to a decade of good time.

 

There is a reason apple is very successful. Simplicity. The same reason halo 2 and 3 were great. You guys must have missed the class on that and it is quite the eye sore.

 

I wish I had the kind of money and man power you guys wasted in my own development.

 

I did enjoy the campaign for the whole 4 hours I played it to beat it. It was well done.

 

But I think it's obvious why halo 4 is bleeding players as we speak. Players who are turning to other games after just one week because you tried to dress a ford like a Mercedes and thought no one would notice.

 

For those of you who do enjoy the game. Good for you. Put halo reach in and you will see how that is infinitely better even though you may have not liked reach over 3. You may like 4 as a totally new game but halo it is not. And for us halo fans we are left out in the cold.

 

This game should have been released in this version as a beta. Between all the bugs and glitches and lack of variety this is an embarrassing let down to a legacy that was handed to you and to us fans.

 

Thanks for listening. I hope that somehow one day you guys can actually turn this around. But so far since you took over halo has not been halo. But you do have an amazing 3d team. Kudos to them!!

[SkItZo1041]

Well put. I'm not gonna give up on 4, but I've definitely thought this quite a lot actually. I do switch off between Reach and 4 now though.

[Balloonloons]

Btw one last thing the main issue seems to be, as far as your team, the lack of a concept director or at least one that knows what this game should be. It seems to me that a bunch of people came together, threw ideas into a pot and then someone said ok you work on this one you work on this one and so on. Stop listening to the chatter. Stop trying to get everyone's input and just hire a damn director who will take charge and model this into one flawless idea from his own mind. Sometimes it's better to keep the vision of a single person than to jumble up ideas from different people.

 

Ok I'm done.

[Zedzish]

I actually just put reach in an hour ago. First game team slayer 2 of my team mates dropped out straight away didn't care dished out punishment on people that were inferior because they fail at bloom won the game easily.

Now that could not happen in halo 4 because the game has been dulled down for noobs.

[Echo of Sorrow]

I would rather play Halo 4 than Reach any day. I've never enjoyed Reach, It was nothing but a chore to rank-up and wasn't rewarding in the slightest.

[Balloonloons]

That's great Antics but the fact remains that halo is bleeding players. And there is a reason for that. My hope is that they see posts like this and bring back the halo we ALL love. You may enjoy driving your ford but I prefer the Mercedes and so do many others.

 

Just look at the awful user interface for starters. I'm approaching this from a develop we'd pov.

[Zedzish]

If there was a dislike button i would hit it, you are entitled to your opinion, and i am entitled to think you are wrong. Go back to Reach and get off the forum cos i am sick of people like you bringing your negativity. We didn't need your explanation just go back to Reach and no one will miss you

 

Wouldn't miss you if you didn't post in this topic ( why be so rude?)

 

That's great Antics but the fact remains that halo is bleeding players. And there is a reason for that. My hope is that they see posts like this and bring back the halo we ALL love. You may enjoy driving your ford but I prefer the Mercedes and so do many others.

 

Just look at the awful user interface for starters. I'm approaching this from a develop we'd pov.

 

Yea some really pore decisions which ultimately it just looks like they tried so hard to put their own spin on it when no one really wants a new spin we play halo because its halo.

[Antics]

Wouldn't miss you if you didn't post in this topic ( why be so rude?)

 

 

 

Yea some really pore decisions which ultimately it just looks like they tried so hard to put their own spin on it when no one really wants a new spin we play halo because its halo.

 

I apologise for being rude, but do you think it is not rude for you to come here and say the game is broken based on your opinions? Halo isn't bleeding players. There was always going to be a certain group of players that didn't like this game and move on. There was always going to be a certain group players that only played for a week until Blops 2 dropped. That was just a fact that i am sure 343 anticipated. What is left is a core group of players making up the population that enjoy the game for what it is worth, not what the vocal minority who want it changed for their benefit. Many other online game developers would kill for a population that Halo 4 pulls in a day.

[SkItZo1041]

I apologise for being rude, but do you think it is not rude for you to come here and say the game is broken based on your opinions? Halo isn't bleeding players. There was always going to be a certain group of players that didn't like this game and move on. There was always going to be a certain group players that only played for a week until Blops 2 dropped. That was just a fact that i am sure 343 anticipated. What is left is a core group of players making up the population that enjoy the game for what it is worth, not what the vocal minority who want it changed for their benefit. Many other online game developers would kill for a population that Halo 4 pulls in a day.

 

The first Black Ops was a fail, so losing Halo players to Black Ops is just a slap in the face. People are voicing their opinions so they don't make the same mistake twice with the next Halo game, as this one can't get all that better.

[Zedzish]

I apologise for being rude, but do you think it is not rude for you to come here and say the game is broken based on your opinions? Halo isn't bleeding players. There was always going to be a certain group of players that didn't like this game and move on. There was always going to be a certain group players that only played for a week until Blops 2 dropped. That was just a fact that i am sure 343 anticipated. What is left is a core group of players making up the population that enjoy the game for what it is worth, not what the vocal minority who want it changed for their benefit. Many other online game developers would kill for a population that Halo 4 pulls in a day.

 

Actually know i don't think its rude at all to come onto a halo community forum and tell everyone what you think of the game and how it could be of improved and what is horribly wrong with it. wouldn't that be what you do on a game community forum? Feels a little more productive then going into game chat and bitching with everyone else in the game.

[A7xBTF]

Halo: Reach was by far the worst halo game made by bungie.

[xlxlCrobarlxlx]

Why do people hate on reach soo much? Its an amazing game. The only thing is armor lock, which if your smart can easily be beaten.

[Viadd]

Bungie made great games, but did not know how to make a 3D engine runs well, and have a top notch artistic direction. Now it's done, and moreover we can run . I have loved and play Halo reach a lot, but this one clearly stands out in my opinion.

Interface is just simply well designed, modern, fluent...Anyway I really dig Halo 4, with the added dynamic during gunfights, and the fact that the gameplay is always haloish and punish you if you run and gun brainlessly. In terms of design and texturing, this game is by far superior ot Bungie who in some areas it was almost full of lazyness. Framerate drops on Reach, Awfull Textures and colors on some maps, for example textures of the floor on Sword's Base rooms, or the colors of Reflection...Just my two cents...

[Balloonloons]

 

 

I apologise for being rude, but do you think it is not rude for you to come here and say the game is broken based on your opinions? Halo isn't bleeding players. There was always going to be a certain group of players that didn't like this game and move on. There was always going to be a certain group players that only played for a week until Blops 2 dropped. That was just a fact that i am sure 343 anticipated. What is left is a core group of players making up the population that enjoy the game for what it is worth, not what the vocal minority who want it changed for their benefit. Many other online game developers would kill for a population that Halo 4 pulls in a day.

 

So you think that this game is so good people left it to play other games in one week!??? Lol that's absurd! The whole point of making a game is to grow the population not shrink it. You think they anticipated losing players? You must not know anything about game development to say such bizarre comments.

 

You also seem to think that 343 created its online community?? The only reason they are what they Are is thanks to bungie. HALO has the following and 343 just jumped on its coat tails. And unfortunately they are destroying it a slow pathetic death. There are studios out there that would only dream of being in 343's shoes now and who would not piss all over the franchise that made them as well as the fans that allowed halo to even exist.

[DonTwan88]

Dmr and br are balanced pretty well it sounds like u r a br guy..... Dispite the fact that I hate the br Because I forgot how to use it is a very good primary weapon

[Wolfspector]

Reach was a great game. I liked a lot of aspects about it, that are gone or altered and we'll have to deal with it. This is Halo 4, not reach 1.5. New game, same name, new play style. Hoping for something nostalgic is basically saying you want to play the same old stale game from a few years ago.

[Antics]

So you think that this game is so good people left it to play other games in one week!??? Lol that's absurd! The whole point of making a game is to grow the population not shrink it. You think they anticipated losing players? You must not know anything about game development to say such bizarre comments.

 

You also seem to think that 343 created its online community?? The only reason they are what they Are is thanks to bungie. HALO has the following and 343 just jumped on its coat tails. And unfortunately they are destroying it a slow pathetic death. There are studios out there that would only dream of being in 343's shoes now and who would not piss all over the franchise that made them as well as the fans that allowed halo to even exist.

 

Halo 4 will always have a steady fan base. Personally at the moment i love it. And by no means is that a biased opinion cos i thought Reach was a train wreck and did not play a whole lot of it. I don't rate H4 higher than i rate Halo 3. If i am still playing it in 12 months then there is a very strong chance it will be my favourite.

 

Now mate, that is my opinion and my perception. I am not going to sit here and argue with you cos we have a different perception on the same game. You are entitled to think that and while you think my comments are bizarre i stand by what i said. Every game ever released by nature peaks at launch and slowly creeps down to a core fan base. That is a fact not just something i randomly made up so i stand by what i have said. I think it is bizarre that you can not comprehend logical facts. The community won't miss you if you go play something else, and i will only miss you cos i am pretty sure you would only boost my k/d.

[Unseenz]

Ok. This isn't another hate or rant thread. This is a very sad thread. I'm actually sad about this beause halo is a game I've loved for 10 years. I feel like halo 4 is the girlfriend that broke up with me. I'm not going into too many details but the game just feels awful online.

 

Dmr has made it nearly impossible to play unless your up against people who never played a fps ever. Sounds like a good idea to have a super powerful gun that is 100% accurate from across the map. Until 12 people all have the same gun and it becomes impossible to stick your head out of a base.

 

Next the perks are so horrible. I have to choose to make grenades stronger or to pick them up from bodies when they should already be strong and should already be picked up like a gun when you kill someone.

 

I am a game designer myself and I can't believe a whole team of people working on one game would make such awful decisions on so many things in this game.

 

The UI is way too overdone! These menus are complicated for no reason. Who designed these? Look back at halo reach for a beautifully designed interface were you actually know what you're looking at.

 

There are so many more issues I have but it boils down to this. This game is not halo. You were handed a Mercedes and you made a ford out of it. Yea they both drive but that's about it.

 

What a shame because the right people will never be making halo again. That makes me sad because it saying goodbye to a decade of good time.

 

There is a reason apple is very successful. Simplicity. The same reason halo 2 and 3 were great. You guys must have missed the class on that and it is quite the eye sore.

 

I wish I had the kind of money and man power you guys wasted in my own development.

 

I did enjoy the campaign for the whole 4 hours I played it to beat it. It was well done.

 

But I think it's obvious why halo 4 is bleeding players as we speak. Players who are turning to other games after just one week because you tried to dress a ford like a Mercedes and thought no one would notice.

 

For those of you who do enjoy the game. Good for you. Put halo reach in and you will see how that is infinitely better even though you may have not liked reach over 3. You may like 4 as a totally new game but halo it is not. And for us halo fans we are left out in the cold.

 

This game should have been released in this version as a beta. Between all the bugs and glitches and lack of variety this is an embarrassing let down to a legacy that was handed to you and to us fans.

 

Thanks for listening. I hope that somehow one day you guys can actually turn this around. But so far since you took over halo has not been halo. But you do have an amazing 3d team. Kudos to them!!

 

You actually raised valid concerns without spitting on would-be fans, or the Halo community. You gave an honest assessment and I am definitely not going to say "THEN GO LEAVE" or some ridiculous rant post like that.

 

I am sad too, I really wanted Halo 4 to be perfect but in this day-and-age in gaming, no game is (well except Deus Ex: HR and Skyrim) but other than that nothing.

[FratGinger]

If you prefer Reach over Halo 4, that explains why you dislike so much about H4. Yes, user interface is bad. There are a few discrepencies. But dude, the game JUST came out. I've never played a game that has swept me off my feet before (Skyrim aside...).

 

The fact you would go back to Reach over 4 proves either

 

a ) You are terrible at Halo (and like you mentioned, have never played a FPS).Y

b ) You are not a true Halo fan.

c ) You are incapable of adapting to new settings.

 

Get over it.

 

If you were a TRUE Halo fan you would notice the beautiy that surrounds this game. Easily one of the best Halo's in the entire series, yet, you are blinded by Reach's noob-style play and lack of good players.

 

Sorry, but a little offense here; All the good Halo players have come back to the series BECAUSE of this game. What does that mean? Means you'll get shat on by a player with a DMR. Not because it's overpowered, but because they are damn good at this game.

 

Do not confuse buggy games and guns for straight up real Halo players. Go back to Reach. You belong there, nubcakes.

[Balloonloons]

If you prefer Reach over Halo 4, that explains why you dislike so much about H4. Yes, user interface is bad. There are a few discrepencies. But dude, the game JUST came out. I've never played a game that has swept me off my feet before (Skyrim aside...).

 

The fact you would go back to Reach over 4 proves either

 

a ) You are terrible at Halo (and like you mentioned, have never played a FPS).Y

b ) You are not a true Halo fan.

c ) You are incapable of adapting to new settings.

 

Get over it.

 

If you were a TRUE Halo fan you would notice the beautiy that surrounds this game. Easily one of the best Halo's in the entire series, yet, you are blinded by Reach's noob-style play and lack of good players.

 

Sorry, but a little offense here; All the good Halo players have come back to the series BECAUSE of this game. What does that mean? Means you'll get shat on by a player with a DMR. Not because it's overpowered, but because they are damn good at this game.

 

Do not confuse buggy games and guns for straight up real Halo players. Go back to Reach. You belong there, nubcakes.

 

Boy did you miss the point on the dmr. Lets take ragnarok. First of all you 90% of the time get thrown into a game where the opposing team already controls the hill. Now you have at least 5 people there all with dmr that can blast you from across the map with 100% accuracy. I don't care how good you are it's impossible to even stick your head out of the base without getting destroyed. This is part of game balancing and an obvious poor choice in game design. This never happened in any of the other halos! You were always able to squirm out of a bind and that also has to do with short to no respawn times and the ability to infinite run. Even if you manage to kill one of the 5 who control, they get back to a spot almost instantly. There is no such thing as a battle when it's you getting blasted by 5 people spread out through the map. This is hardly welcoming gameplay for just about anyone. You open your mouth about my skills not even knowing anything about me and meanwhile I am approaching this topic from the pov of a game developer who knows damn well how important game design is. These are all examples of poor design and lack of knowledge when it comes to proper balancing. All of which you obviously know nothing about. I'm actually very good at this game as I have been playing it for 10 years. I know when something is off not just as a developer but as a gamer.

 

As I said before, halo has always been the gold standard and these decisions have made it unenjoyable for a large portion of the halo community. If you like driving your ford that's fine but I think we all expect halo to be at least a BMW.

 

Oh and btw, having a weapon that is 100% accurate from across the map that can fire rapidly is hardly something that makes you pro. It makes you a noob camper IMO. It's the most noob weapon I've ever seen because it encourages players to stay out of a good fight. So you can try to make yourself sound good but all you're doing is saying you prefer keeping your distance picking people off because they might actually shoot back otherwise.

[Goatny]

If you like driving your ford that's fine but I think we all expect halo to be at least a BMW.

 

Analogy fail.

 

You're granted your opinion but whats the point of telling us you're going back to Reach? Are we suppose to convince you otherwise?

 

 

 

[Balloonloons]

Reach was a great game. I liked a lot of aspects about it, that are gone or altered and we'll have to deal with it. This is Halo 4, not reach 1.5. New game, same name, new play style. Hoping for something nostalgic is basically saying you want to play the same old stale game from a few years ago.

 

And that's fine if it was related to my point. My point is this game is the perfect example of what not to do with any game. A horrible UI paired together with the most unbalanced gameplay I've seen in years is all a disaster to the franchise. And it is a disservice to what halo has done for so many years. That is what is so sad here. This is not just a new game, it is a very poorly done game (graphics aside which I already said are great). Not to mention quitting has been encouraged here which only means a majority of the time you get thrown into games that are already hopelessly lost by the team you get thrown in with.

 

You seriously have to play 20 games to get one good one going where in halo reach you could play a dozen at a time that are great. That's why balancing is important.

 

Halo 4 feels like a beta version of a game concept and yet we all paid 60$ for it. Not exactly a way to grow your fan base or keep the current one for that.

 

 

 

Analogy fail.

 

You're granted your opinion but whats the point of telling us you're going back to Reach? Are we suppose to convince you otherwise?

 

Analogy fail because you said so? Lol. It's actually the perfect analogy. It's your problem if you fail to comprehend what it means.

 

I don't need you or anyone to convince me of anything. I want 343 to see this and take a second hard look at the poor design choices they made that stripped halo of its mojo.

 

As far as your opinion goes it makes no difference to me. I'm writing here and it's the first time I have ever done something like this, because halo is something that I love and am passionate about. Much like you probably I've spent 1/4 of my life of the last 10 years playing halo lol and it saddens me that I just about have to say goodbye. Halo reach got boring because there is no new content. So this only means that halo is pretty much gone unless they make some fixes.

 

These people were handed an engine, gameplay, characters, etc. all they had to do was make it work. How can you mess that up? And on a huge budget with a huge staff devoted to nothing but halo. How can you mess that up?? Makes no sense. Anyone of you guys who are talking down on me would have probably made a Better game yourselves had you been lead director. So why are you blaming me when you know that is probably true!?