Captain Del Rio

[Baeztoberfest]

 

 

Novels make for good reading and you didn't say I was right enough. Like Super right, like the most right ever. A lot of that post was to clarify the first post which I thought was to vague and sloppy.

 

None of it matters anyway John is not assigned to the Infinity, so he can only follow his last known Chain of command and standing orders. Last known chain is Lord Hood and NAVCOM, and standing orders are to "defend humanity at all costs."

 

I guess Del Rio got nailed in the books for what he did, kinda wish that was maid clear in the game or that he was not the first choice for the Infinity which really belongs to Hood. The only reason he was given Command is that it was not currently being used as a war ship and was doing shake down tests. Would have made the whole thing make sense had that been put in the game. Out of his depth, on non com shake down drills, not known as combat commander but good at getting ships in order. Throw that in their and most of it makes sense. But threatening the MCPON that's just insane on any level, although in his case at least I would no why he went full retard. Because he has no idea what to do, he is out of his depth and he panics and does something stupid, well several stupid things.

 

I spent some time thinking about this... If he was gone for four years they would have a new master chief by then. Especially if they had him as MIA. I know in the Army an MTOW is done to trade out new soldiers and whatnot when the slots need to be filled. MC's spot was definitely filled.

 

If he was rescued his new orders would be to fall in under the command of his rescuers. Not to keep acting as if he is MIA. He radios several times in the mission INFINTY identifying himself as Siera 117 of the forward unto dawn and offers to help and says he's on station.

 

But this was just to address your post.

 

Back on subject. Captain Del Rio was the rankingest officer on board the Infinity. All orders and directives would come from him no matter what. Whatever Lord Hood would have done is inconsequential. It is irrelevant and doesn't pertain to the here and now. I mean that by this.

 

Technically a lieutenant outranks a 1sg. The lieutenant could chew the 1sg and make him do push-ups. The 1sg would most likely let the CO know and the CO would handle the lieutenant. Because the 1sg and CO are really in charge of things. (But that doesn't mean that the 1sg outweighs the lieutenant).

 

I told you that little story to explain the chain of command. Rio was in charge and still ranking. No matter what. Chief still had an obligation to follow orders. Because THAT is the chain of command.

 

In regards to that I don't think he "overreacted" by looking out for the Infinitys crew and personel. A loss of that caliber would be a career/life ender. Getting the MC to not be doing all that Lone Wolf crap would be acceptable under those conditions.

[Vaulting♥Frog]

Beyond the rank issue (which clearly he is in the wrong there) I think he has issues beyond that. He, to me, has all the halmarks of a carrier desk jockey who got a combat command for some reason or other that he should not have otherwise qualified for.

 

When we first encounter him on the mission Infinity you find out he split his forces to do a recon and attempted cover/defensive action against Covenant assaulting his ship. This was an alright choice to me but he ended up spreading his forces to thin against an enemy which he knew nothing about. The Prometheans took the Infinity by complete suprise. He left his forces on the Infinity to thin so the Covenant actually broke through during their assault. Not a great way to show your command skills in a critical situation.

 

Afterwards during his first meeting with John you see signs of him cracking under the pressures of a combat command. His facial expressions, tone of voice and choice words all display this. He looks to be a man loosing control of himself but not entirely at that point. Warning Earth is a sound reason, though seriously lacking any hard data for their warning.

 

Then in the very next mission where you destroy the partical canons he goes on to say that he didnt even bother with recon in the area. What a waste of personel. The Infinity is secure and your going into a heavily guarded area with an unknown amount of ground forces, defences and any other number of issues. Spend a little extra time doing a force recon and you can prevent significant losses to your forces. He was lucky that mission was a success at all. In reality that Mammoth would have been toast along with all of its escort forces. The Covenant air power alone would have seen to that if it werent for gameplay requirements. Very poor choice for that mission and definately shows that his priority is getting the hell out of there instead of getting his people out alive. Not command material with that attitude.

 

Next we have his outburst about Cortana. Yes she is showing signs of rampancy at that point. But all of his actions prior to Cortana's outburst and afterwards show that he lost his nerve a ways back and is not suited for any combat command. No commanding officer should ever fall out like that infront of enlisted men/women. Lack of self control at that point is pretty evident, and personally I think Lasky should have relieved him of his command right then and there as he broke under stress and is a danger to the ship and its crew.

[snqrls]

The number of trolls on the first page alone. Look del rio was okay, but his decisions were only undesrtandable if you assume he had no conception of context, no awareness of who exactly the chief was, and what exactly his 40 years of service meant. Treason? God damn, you guys are using all the hyperboles you can think of aren't you? Truth is not even palmer wanted to arrest the guy.

 

What it comes down to is del rio was put off by the fact, infinity was dragged down due to the chief being there, and couldn't bring his head out of his ass long enough to consider the bigger picture. Instead he was understandably more concerned about the unsc's flagship and his job than the stupid **** that brought him to requiem. In short, he was a bad officer, who when things got tough went into denial and projected his stress and irritation on the easiest 'thing' he could find. He was very human, but as a leader, he wasn't fit to command a flagship.

 

That, and frankly, the disrespect he ouzed despite the chief's legendary status, his survival of the ark despite all probability, and his saving of infinity several times over was quite deplorable.

[Baeztoberfest]

The number of trolls on the first page alone. Look del rio was okay, but his decisions were only undesrtandable if you assume he had no conception of context, no awareness of who exactly the chief was, and what exactly his 40 years of service meant. Treason? God damn, you guys are using all the hyperboles you can think of aren't you? Truth is not even palmer wanted to arrest the guy.

 

What it comes down to is del rio was put off by the fact, infinity was dragged down due to the chief being there, and couldn't bring his head out of his ass long enough to consider the bigger picture. Instead he was understandably more concerned about the unsc's flagship and his job than the stupid **** that brought him to requiem. In short, he was a bad officer, who when things got tough went into denial and projected his stress and irritation on the easiest 'thing' he could find. He was very human, but as a leader, he wasn't fit to command a flagship.

 

That, and frankly, the disrespect he ouzed despite the chief's legendary status, his survival of the ark despite all probability, and his saving of infinity several times over was quite deplorable.

 

Comparing Audie Murphy to the Chief. No collection of accolades or accomplishments will make a uniformed service member above the law.

 

Audie Murphy had paranoid dementia and counts of fantasizing about child molestation. His case was also one of the first documented cases of PTSD to surface on military records and acknowledged in recent years. But he is the most decorated US veteran in World War II and (although presumptuous for me to say this) might be the highest decorated US veteran of any war.

 

Fast forward to MC. I'm assuming you all are fans of the game so I won't even go into the reasons he's a total badass.

 

But just like Audie, John and his cavalier attitude toward authority aren't becoming of a spartan or a marine. Past, present, or future.

 

In regards to Cortana. I've felt attachment to her. But my feelings and personal judgements can't cloud oneself from the truth. She is merely AI. Artificial intelligence and therefore could only be human on an imaginary spectrum. The minute they learned of her rampancy she should have been decommissioned. Rio had full awareness of his flagship and what needed to be done to protect her. Captain Keyes within the first 15 minutes did the same thing with the Pillar Of Autumn but nobody chastises him!

 

The truth is Rio is a good commander. Comparatively speaking he's on par with the best. Just because he reacts harshly toward our hero doesn't mean he's unjustified. Some heroes need a wake up call. Think if John had left with Rio... They might have saved Cortana. But Johns blind allegiance to accomplishing the mission put himself and plenty at risk to the forerunners and earth.

 

It's pretty obvious that the UNSC has the muscle and the firepower. From an ordinance standpoint I can see what Rio was doing. Retreat, reassess, and regroup. Then tactically take out the threat.

 

I believe he also has a conversation that loosely went :

 

John : lets go get em cap'n!

 

Andrew : no way

 

John : they are weak c'mon cap'n!

 

Andrew : so are we...

 

I mean that's pretty straight forward script writing. How can nobody agree that Rio was an OUTSTANDING commander? Mutiny isn't a very viable option. Especially in times of war. Don't know what the penalty after 2552 was but I know what it is now... Chief took a huge gamble on that one. Openly defying a senior commander in front of the crew...

 

Oh an to address the mammoth thing before I read more replies... I will agree that was a tad brash. But so was Lasky for putting boots on ground. His presence wasn't required.

[Benchimus]

lol even Marcus Fenix, (soldier) Commander Shepard, Chris Redfield, Sarah Palmer, and Macho man Randy Savage together couldn't arrest the chief even if they wanted to.

[snqrls]

Comparing Audie Murphy to the Chief. No collection of accolades or accomplishments will make a uniformed service member above the law.

 

Audie Murphy had paranoid dementia and counts of fantasizing about child molestation. His case was also one of the first documented cases of PTSD to surface on military records and acknowledged in recent years. But he is the most decorated US veteran in World War II and (although presumptuous for me to say this) might be the highest decorated US veteran of any war.

 

Fast forward to MC. I'm assuming you all are fans of the game so I won't even go into the reasons he's a total badass.

 

But just like Audie, John and his cavalier attitude toward authority aren't becoming of a spartan or a marine. Past, present, or future.

 

In regards to Cortana. I've felt attachment to her. But my feelings and personal judgements can't cloud oneself from the truth. She is merely AI. Artificial intelligence and therefore could only be human on an imaginary spectrum. The minute they learned of her rampancy she should have been decommissioned. Rio had full awareness of his flagship and what needed to be done to protect her. Captain Keyes within the first 15 minutes did the same thing with the Pillar Of Autumn but nobody chastises him!

 

The truth is Rio is a good commander. Comparatively speaking he's on par with the best. Just because he reacts harshly toward our hero doesn't mean he's unjustified. Some heroes need a wake up call. Think if John had left with Rio... They might have saved Cortana. But Johns blind allegiance to accomplishing the mission put himself and plenty at risk to the forerunners and earth.

 

It's pretty obvious that the UNSC has the muscle and the firepower. From an ordinance standpoint I can see what Rio was doing. Retreat, reassess, and regroup. Then tactically take out the threat.

 

I believe he also has a conversation that loosely went :

 

John : lets go get em cap'n!

 

Andrew : no way

 

John : they are weak c'mon cap'n!

 

Andrew : so are we...

 

I mean that's pretty straight forward script writing. How can nobody agree that Rio was an OUTSTANDING commander? Mutiny isn't a very viable option. Especially in times of war. Don't know what the penalty after 2552 was but I know what it is now... Chief took a huge gamble on that one. Openly defying a senior commander in front of the crew...

 

Oh an to address the mammoth thing before I read more replies... I will agree that was a tad brash. But so was Lasky for putting boots on ground. His presence wasn't required.

 

Uhuh. I'm starting to think you're new to the series, if not completely ignorant of military command. It's actually very simple; the chief is a senior nco, and has saved the human race several times. As an actual war hero he is deserving of some trust if not latitude when it comes to arguing for a plan of attack. That del rio didn't even consider his insight or intel is unbecoming.

[Phillip Micheal Hanna]

Are you kidding me? MC had to disobey the order,he knew what he was doing.Master chief in real life is higher rank than captain anyways..Del Rio is an idiot only thinking about his crew and not humanity.

[Vaulting♥Frog]

Snip....

 

I mean that's pretty straight forward script writing. How can nobody agree that Rio was an OUTSTANDING commander? Mutiny isn't a very viable option. Especially in times of war. Don't know what the penalty after 2552 was but I know what it is now... Chief took a huge gamble on that one. Openly defying a senior commander in front of the crew...

 

Oh an to address the mammoth thing before I read more replies... I will agree that was a tad brash. But so was Lasky for putting boots on ground. His presence wasn't required.

 

I am ignoring the Audie stuff because I personally dont care about it. Ramble all you want about it, wont make a difference to me.

 

1: Would you follow your CO's orders if they told you to jump from a plane at 50,000 feet with no parachute or any other way to slow your decent so you would survive the impact? I dont bloody think so. Orders are rightfully disobeyed if they put the soldier, unit and or greater humanity (this is the case for Halo) at unnessissary risk. What hard intel did he have about the Didact? All he knew is that the gravity well of the planet pulled his ship down and there was supposedly a Forerunner running around now. Hmm supposedly is not exactly stong intel if you as me. So what warning exactly would he give Earth?

 

"Umm Earth? THE BOOGIEMAN COMMITH!!!!!"

 

Thats about as creditible as he would sound with what little intel he did have. Heck he had almost no info on the Prometheans too. Odds are the UNSC would just chalk things up to a new Forerunner AI run army similar to the Sentinals and leave it at that. What a great plan that would be...

 

So John disobeying that order is (to me) more than lawful on his end. Even if it were just to gather creditible intel on the Didact. There is such a thing as incompetence of command and Rio fits that model to the letter.

 

2: Penalties are for unlawful disobediance of orders, not lawful. Rio's personal feelings and stress unduely influence his choices in this combat command. Right at the begining he starts making bad calls against an unknown force and nearly gets his ship overrun. His ability to command is non existant. Palmer didnt even want him to Captain the UNSC Infinity and as we see in the game, with good reason. The fault lays upon the commanding officer on this one due to his incompetent command. Needlessly risking the lives of his crew and equipment, lack of restraint of ones personal feelings within full visibility and hearing of enlisted personel, poor mission planing (too many unknowns to really make a mission viable).

 

You can (well at least I can) tell that his only real concern at the end of his scenes is for his own personal safety. His outbursts and lack of leadership in prior missions lead up to this. You can see it in his eyes before you begin the Mammoth mission as he looks out a window. He might have been a fine officer but not a line officer. He ended up becoming more concerned with getting himself out of there than his ship, crew and any actual intel on the new enemy.

 

3: Was Cortana in the wrong with her outburst, absolutely. Was it wrong to remove her from the system, nope. Was the order for her immediate termination a good one? No I say. I say this because of the amount of data she holds about the Forerunners, Prometheans and any number of other things she picked up along the way. That would warrent isolation until a data mine could extract all data and copy it to multiple sources while not downloading any of her processes (so that she wouldnt survive). Then termination would be in order. Otherwise you are just wasting intel that you may never ever get again. Intel that allowes insight into the Flood, the Covenant and the Forerunners to a degree that the UNSC couldnt imagine with out Dr. Halsey.

 

Was it practical of John to plug Cortana back into his head? Not really. That is the only fault I find of John's in the whole game. It wasnt the "best" choice I think. He in all likely hood should have surrendered her, but there is one thing holding me back besides the data issue. The big problem is that they are still in a combat situation and they need all the equipment they can get and an AI like Cortana is invaluable. Tossing away valuable equipement is not a viable option in combat and John was heading directly into combat.

 

4: As for Lasky being on the Mammoth, I am not sure as to why he was there either. However I do have a theory. He directly confronted Rio with his command of leaving for Earth in defence of the Chief. Due to Rio's cracking under the pressures of a combat command I wouldnt put it past him to order anybody objecting to his commands down planet side on a "high risk" mission. Their elimination makes for easy paperwork. Or he could end up leaving them behind at the first chance he gets citing that he was going back for reinforcements and they had enough strength to hold out till then.

 

Thats just one theory which fits into Rio's personality (or at least the one he displays in the game). Another could be that as XO of the Infinity he is sent to personally oversee ground operations and ensure they efficently progress. Not an uncommon practice to send an XO to do something like that, just look at Star Trek. This is the most likely in any even. That he was ordered down there to oversee ground operations with no intent on Rio's part to have him harmed (though look at his face when Lasky questions him says otherwise).

 

Are you kidding me? MC had to disobey the order,he knew what he was doing.Master chief in real life is higher rank than captain anyways..Del Rio is an idiot only thinking about his crew and not humanity.

 

He is enlisted while Rio is a commissioned officer. Enlisted personel obey commissioned officers because they are exactly that. Enlisted. Thats not to say however that an enlisted soldier has lesser pull than a commissioned officer. Officers (more importantly junior officers) would be wise to listen to their senior enlisted men.

[Baeztoberfest]

 

 

Uhuh. I'm starting to think you're new to the series, if not completely ignorant of military command. It's actually very simple; the chief is a senior nco, and has saved the human race several times. As an actual war hero he is deserving of some trust if not latitude when it comes to arguing for a plan of attack. That del rio didn't even consider his insight or intel is unbecoming.

 

Been playing for 11 years sir. Also I'm a specialist in the army. So... Nope. Point avoided.

 

As per the stuff about Rio. When we would convoy to nearby FOB's, our XO would usually TC at least one of the gun trucks. Not protocol for all convoys but depending on unit it can change so yes. I agree.

 

As whether his command was that not befitting of combat command? What you're trying to say I think was that Rio issued improper commands. And that it wasn't wrong to disobey them.

 

I'd have to watch his outburst again but that's not really uncommon either. To get screamed at by a CO. I would look at his decision making not from the obvious point that he's a jerk. But that he is a good commander.

 

No matter how valuable the information on an SKL or computer or anything else? The ONLY reason I'd bring it with me (if damaged) is for decommission. That's it. Cortana lost her ability to be a viable combat asset when he went of her rocker. Rio saw that and wanted her taken off the chess board. Now ultimately we know that she played her part in the end. That was a stroke of luck that I don't think anyone saw coming. The chief really DOES have luck.

 

If Rios commands were followed it might have been worse. So far in this thread I've defended his command and right to command, his motives for making those decisions, he reasons for escaping requiem, and one similarity between himself and another UNSC captain from Halo CE.

 

I believe while being a jerk (never claimed to LIKE the guy) he was in fact a good commander and a skilled leader. Even his comment to the chief about living to fight another day was correct. Harsh... But he was right for saying it.

[Number x FIVE]

I personally think that Del Rio should stop hanging out in the air, and more down on the ground fighting the war.

 

But nevertheless, he was quite a jerk to Cortana and Chief.

[Baeztoberfest]

I personally think that Del Rio should stop hanging out in the air, and more down on the ground fighting the war.

 

But nevertheless, he was quite a jerk to Cortana and Chief.

 

What do you mean more time on the ground? I don't understand. He's the commander. General Patraes (probably misspelled it) wasn't a ground fighter. He's a commander. Why would he do that? And to what means?

[Azeraph]

What do you mean more time on the ground? I don't understand. He's the commander. General Patraes (probably misspelled it) wasn't a ground fighter. He's a commander. Why would he do that? And to what means?

 

11 years? Did you get the box not realizing the game came with it like i did? I popped the game in and was enamored right from the start though there has been better playable games that has come out, i'm still drawn back to this one for a good time killer.

[Xzilerate]

Del Rio a good leader? That's rich.

 

He wasn't even selected to command Infinity because of his leadership skills, he was selected because he could keep Infinity a secret because he had no family ties back on earth. Lasky was Parangosky's favorite to command Infinity. Parangosky saw Del Rio as more of a manager than a leader, which is very true. Halo 4 demonstrates this on multiple occasions. The Thursday War implies that if Lasky wanted to mutiny than he would succeed with no opposition from the crew because they hold no respect for Del Rio. Palmer sat there and disobeyed a direct order right in front of his face. If that doesn't tell you then I don't know what will. He doesn't inspire people and he's not the awe inspiring leader like Jacob Keyes and Preston Cole. Why do you think he was relieved of duty the first instance he stired up trouble? Because he wasn't the main choice to even command Infinity. ONI was going to replace him the minute they could because they didn't want him commanding Infinity in the first place.

 

He cared more about himself and his ship than he did humanity. He could've easily sent one of the 10 frigates docked in the Infinity's hangar bay back to Earth to warn them while he and the rest of the crew stayed and helped John, but he was too much of a coward to do that. Del Rio's far from a good leader.

 

There's a reason Del Rio was relieved from duty with Lasky replacing him. He made a poor decision and ignored the advice of the man who saved humanity more times than he could ever dream of all because he cared too much about himself and his ship. Humanity far outweighs both and had Del Rio stayed then perhaps all the people who died at the Didacts hands in New Phoenix would have lived.

[Vaulting♥Frog]

Been playing for 11 years sir. Also I'm a specialist in the army. So... Nope. Point avoided.

 

As per the stuff about Rio. When we would convoy to nearby FOB's, our XO would usually TC at least one of the gun trucks. Not protocol for all convoys but depending on unit it can change so yes. I agree.

 

As whether his command was that not befitting of combat command? What you're trying to say I think was that Rio issued improper commands. And that it wasn't wrong to disobey them.

 

I'd have to watch his outburst again but that's not really uncommon either. To get screamed at by a CO. I would look at his decision making not from the obvious point that he's a jerk. But that he is a good commander.

 

No matter how valuable the information on an SKL or computer or anything else? The ONLY reason I'd bring it with me (if damaged) is for decommission. That's it. Cortana lost her ability to be a viable combat asset when he went of her rocker. Rio saw that and wanted her taken off the chess board. Now ultimately we know that she played her part in the end. That was a stroke of luck that I don't think anyone saw coming. The chief really DOES have luck.

 

If Rios commands were followed it might have been worse. So far in this thread I've defended his command and right to command, his motives for making those decisions, he reasons for escaping requiem, and one similarity between himself and another UNSC captain from Halo CE.

 

I believe while being a jerk (never claimed to LIKE the guy) he was in fact a good commander and a skilled leader. Even his comment to the chief about living to fight another day was correct. Harsh... But he was right for saying it.

 

Keeping in mind that this is purely my own opinions that I have posted i still disagree with you.

 

To me, seeing him in those scenes he is clearly loosing control of himself during a combat command. Mission choices were very poor and in all likelyhood caused heavy casualties that could have been avoided.

 

And if I remember correctly, I did agree that removing Cortana was a good thing. I am not in argument about that. But Rio's fall out in front of enlisted personel was unacceptable. He is on the bridge and is the commanding officer. Such a person should conduct themselves accordingly. That means having the outward appearence of calm and control. The raving he showed on several segments is in direct opposition of this.

 

To me the only solid command he had given was to remove Cortana from the Infinity's computers. But beyond that (his follow up orders) were way beyond rash, more like raving. Showing more concern for himself than anything else.

[Phillip Micheal Hanna]

I am ignoring the Audie stuff because I personally dont care about it. Ramble all you want about it, wont make a difference to me.

 

1: Would you follow your CO's orders if they told you to jump from a plane at 50,000 feet with no parachute or any other way to slow your decent so you would survive the impact? I dont bloody think so. Orders are rightfully disobeyed if they put the soldier, unit and or greater humanity (this is the case for Halo) at unnessissary risk. What hard intel did he have about the Didact? All he knew is that the gravity well of the planet pulled his ship down and there was supposedly a Forerunner running around now. Hmm supposedly is not exactly stong intel if you as me. So what warning exactly would he give Earth?

 

"Umm Earth? THE BOOGIEMAN COMMITH!!!!!"

 

Thats about as creditible as he would sound with what little intel he did have. Heck he had almost no info on the Prometheans too. Odds are the UNSC would just chalk things up to a new Forerunner AI run army similar to the Sentinals and leave it at that. What a great plan that would be...

 

So John disobeying that order is (to me) more than lawful on his end. Even if it were just to gather creditible intel on the Didact. There is such a thing as incompetence of command and Rio fits that model to the letter.

 

2: Penalties are for unlawful disobediance of orders, not lawful. Rio's personal feelings and stress unduely influence his choices in this combat command. Right at the begining he starts making bad calls against an unknown force and nearly gets his ship overrun. His ability to command is non existant. Palmer didnt even want him to Captain the UNSC Infinity and as we see in the game, with good reason. The fault lays upon the commanding officer on this one due to his incompetent command. Needlessly risking the lives of his crew and equipment, lack of restraint of ones personal feelings within full visibility and hearing of enlisted personel, poor mission planing (too many unknowns to really make a mission viable).

 

You can (well at least I can) tell that his only real concern at the end of his scenes is for his own personal safety. His outbursts and lack of leadership in prior missions lead up to this. You can see it in his eyes before you begin the Mammoth mission as he looks out a window. He might have been a fine officer but not a line officer. He ended up becoming more concerned with getting himself out of there than his ship, crew and any actual intel on the new enemy.

 

3: Was Cortana in the wrong with her outburst, absolutely. Was it wrong to remove her from the system, nope. Was the order for her immediate termination a good one? No I say. I say this because of the amount of data she holds about the Forerunners, Prometheans and any number of other things she picked up along the way. That would warrent isolation until a data mine could extract all data and copy it to multiple sources while not downloading any of her processes (so that she wouldnt survive). Then termination would be in order. Otherwise you are just wasting intel that you may never ever get again. Intel that allowes insight into the Flood, the Covenant and the Forerunners to a degree that the UNSC couldnt imagine with out Dr. Halsey.

 

Was it practical of John to plug Cortana back into his head? Not really. That is the only fault I find of John's in the whole game. It wasnt the "best" choice I think. He in all likely hood should have surrendered her, but there is one thing holding me back besides the data issue. The big problem is that they are still in a combat situation and they need all the equipment they can get and an AI like Cortana is invaluable. Tossing away valuable equipement is not a viable option in combat and John was heading directly into combat.

 

4: As for Lasky being on the Mammoth, I am not sure as to why he was there either. However I do have a theory. He directly confronted Rio with his command of leaving for Earth in defence of the Chief. Due to Rio's cracking under the pressures of a combat command I wouldnt put it past him to order anybody objecting to his commands down planet side on a "high risk" mission. Their elimination makes for easy paperwork. Or he could end up leaving them behind at the first chance he gets citing that he was going back for reinforcements and they had enough strength to hold out till then.

 

Thats just one theory which fits into Rio's personality (or at least the one he displays in the game). Another could be that as XO of the Infinity he is sent to personally oversee ground operations and ensure they efficently progress. Not an uncommon practice to send an XO to do something like that, just look at Star Trek. This is the most likely in any even. That he was ordered down there to oversee ground operations with no intent on Rio's part to have him harmed (though look at his face when Lasky questions him says otherwise).

 

 

 

He is enlisted while Rio is a commissioned officer. Enlisted personel obey commissioned officers because they are exactly that. Enlisted. Thats not to say however that an enlisted soldier has lesser pull than a commissioned officer. Officers (more importantly junior officers) would be wise to listen to their senior enlisted men.

 

You don't call being abducted and forced into the military under a top secret project comissioned? =P

[KellyAwesome]

I believe this character was right. His motives seemed clear to me and he was obviously a well thought up character. His commands went directly disobeyed and this in a real military wouldn't have flown at all.

For the most part Spartans never even existed until the last few years of the war. So it's hard to give orders to someone whos very existed is classified.

 

Master Chief would have been court martialed and chaptered out of the military.

I like the Chief's attitude. He knew what he had to do, and he did it despite what his command thought.

Back on subject. I'd like to see more character development for captain del rio in Halo 5. Maybe give him an Arbiter like quality in the next installment?

lol

He was obviously given command of the largest UNSC ship in the galaxy for a reason. His fearless leadership does NOT make him a plot device. I also liked his authority that just because he was talking to the guy who single handedly anhilated two alien species that there IS in fact a chain of command and that the Chief isn't above the law. (Or UCMJ in this example)

He didn't really show authority at all. He lost his cool and ended up screaming out of frustration. I expet more from the Captain of the biggest ship in the galaxy.

 

In closing I'd just like to say I want more from Captain Del Rio in Halo 5. I wish he would play a SIGNIFICANT role in the next installment and his part to play in Halo 4 was nothing less than breathtaking. I preferred him to Cortana anyway. And Lord Hood. Perhaps he'll punish that Lasky fellow for being insubordinate in the next game too.

 

Personally, I want to know more about Captain Del Rio. Why? He clearly seems to harbor a resentment for Master Chief. I want to know why he does. I think there was probably a bigger picture to this. Maybe his son was a marine that was killed in Halo CE. Maybe his wife was an officer aboard the Forward Unto Dawn.

[Real Talk]

Yea I kind of felt like Rio didnt like the Chief at all, and not just because Rio was losing it. I dont know if someone already said it but dont I remember Rio calling Chief an old man, something like that? i would think the saviour of everything would get more respect than being called an old man.

 

Just to refresh everyones memory. Its in the first 2 minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=6ezJiksHJwM&NR=1

[Wolfspector]

 

Personally, I want to know more about Captain Del Rio. Why? He clearly seems to harbor a resentment for Master Chief. I want to know why he does. I think there was probably a bigger picture to this. Maybe his son was a marine that was killed in Halo CE. Maybe his wife was an officer aboard the Forward Unto Dawn.

I think he's a great character, and was great in halo 4, but some people just get off being a jerk to certain people. It's possible that rather than having something happen to him to be so spiteful of the Chief, he's just an ass. Or it could be that he feels the need to denounce Chief, simply because he likes the idea of the Head guy in charge bossing MC around.

 

I disagree. I believe they made it a point to show Del Rio's cowardess. If you have a chance to stop the destruction of humanity at its roots, are you really gonna blow it and head home tail inbetween you legs? And if Del Rio were right, one of his subordinates would have followed his command in arresting the chief, had it been the most wise decision. That wasn't the case either, since the composer is out of the picture now too.

 

[Vaulting♥Frog]

You don't call being abducted and forced into the military under a top secret project comissioned? =P

Nope, though I do find your post amusing. He is in for the duration but never commissioned. Only two Spartan-IIs were ever commissioned if I remember correctly.

 

Kurt-034 (Lt. Commander, final rank, KIA)

Fred-104 (2nd Lt., unknown status)

 

And Fred was promoted to the commissioned officers ranks by Kurt on a battlefield commission.

[Baeztoberfest]

 

Nope, though I do find your post amusing. He is in for the duration but never commissioned. Only two Spartan-IIs were ever commissioned if I remember correctly.

 

Kurt-034 (Lt. Commander, final rank, KIA)

Fred-104 (2nd Lt., unknown status)

 

And Fred was promoted to the commissioned officers ranks by Kurt on a battlefield commission.

 

A little off subject but I'll shoot.

 

Wasn't noble team all commissioned? O1 or higher?

[Vaulting♥Frog]

A little off subject but I'll shoot.

 

Wasn't noble team all commissioned? O1 or higher?

 

Noble Team was made almost completely out of Spartan-IIIs not Spartan-IIs. The only Spartan-II in that team was Jorge-052 and I dont think he was a commissioned officer but an enlisted soldier.

[Charlemagne]

The man had his back against a wall. The Chiefs antics and direct disobedience put everyone at risk. He made a decision to protect everyone on board The Infinity. That is hardly the actions of a coward. He was only fired because his superiors were morons. Recklessly endangering your crew by pointlessly navigating into merky conditions is hardly befitting of any commander or captain. COUGH* Titanic COUGH*. No for all intents and purposes Captain Del Rio was a saint.

 

He single handedly in most likelihood saved the crew of The Infinity, but that's just speculation. What I can prove through fact and in game cinematics was that he was charged with command and he executed his duties superbly. He deserves to finish out the series more so than Cortana obviously.

 

My prediction is that he will in fact return as a major protagonist and save MC yet again when he returns.

 

Oh and to carry on further, nobody knew what the Didact was capable of. They had never met a forerunner before then. That had already been said.

 

The Titanic was a result of inattention This can hardly be compared to Del Rio's or the Master Chief's decisions. Also, disobeying a superior officer does not mean you are ethically wrong.

[medcsu]

Actually, from a military mans perspective, Del Rio made the correct call, without a doubt.

 

He was going on limited information from a soldier (MC) who had been MIA for years and for all Del Rio could know, he was hallucinating with his obviously rampent AI. His main concern was the safety of his ship and crew and under military doctrine he sure as hell did the correct thing by wanting to go considering both of those were surrounded by hostile aliens on a hostile world.

 

Del Rio owes the MC nothing at all, especially an explanation. Now I see this from the MC's perspective as well as he "knows what he saw" but Del Rio couldn't take that chance and risk the lives of his crew and the ship. It was a bad situation all around but from merely a military perspective, Del Rio was on the ball.

[Yoshi1176]

Accidental wink wink hit and run with a warthog.

[Jay Marcase]

Actually, from a military mans perspective, Del Rio made the correct call, without a doubt.

 

He was going on limited information from a soldier (MC) who had been MIA for years and for all Del Rio could know, he was hallucinating with his obviously rampent AI. His main concern was the safety of his ship and crew and under military doctrine he sure as hell did the correct thing by wanting to go considering both of those were surrounded by hostile aliens on a hostile world.

 

Del Rio owes the MC nothing at all, especially an explanation. Now I see this from the MC's perspective as well as he "knows what he saw" but Del Rio couldn't take that chance and risk the lives of his crew and the ship. It was a bad situation all around but from merely a military perspective, Del Rio was on the ball.

 

Del Rio was an idiot though because he disregarded the two hugest intel resources the UNSC has: Master Chief and Cortana. Master Chief's record speaks for itself and for Del Rio to simply override the Master Chief without a second thought shows his arrogance and his inability to listen to his feet on the ground. I can understand wanting to leave and it is a good idea...but what if that idea really put the Earth at risk? What if the guy that saved the entire human race several times over was telling the truth? That's the issue.