KellyAwesome Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 After watching that very amazing opening cinematic to Halo 4, I can't help but feel there was more significance to the shadow man talking to Doctor Halsey. That is, more signifcance beyond "Chief and other Spartan-II's are sociopathic machines." Which honestly, I feel is just an objective statement that is hardly true. While playing Spartan Ops and Halo 4, I've noticed the very lacking of Spartans in the Spartan-4s. They basically all seem like a bunch of over grown marines and ODSTs. In History, Spartans were very silent, as they saw to incoporate austerity in all things including speech. Note the first Spartan Ops episode, the only thing that told me these people were super soldiers and not freshly enlisted frat boys was their armor. It certainly distracted from what made Spartans feel special throughout the first three games, and Reach. Which leads me back to Dr. Halsey's interrogation. Whoever that man was at the beginning was trying to probe deeper into Dr. Halsey's mind. He already knew what she had already disclosed. How many times do you think her reports on the Spartan II program had been read? How many times had she been already asked the same questions by other officials? He's not interested in what he's been told. He's interested in what he hasn't been told. Probably something important that was key to making the Spartan-II's the most efficient of all of them. I believe that in some way the recreation of the Spartan-II program will play a part in the next game. Or maybe the next two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaulting♥Frog Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 I want to know what happens to Fred and Kelly. I havent read anything about them and their fates. I know Linda gets killed by John at some point (hated Evolutions BTW) but I know nothing about those two surviving Spartan-IIs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benchimus Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 After watching that very amazing opening cinematic to Halo 4, I can't help but feel there was more significance to the shadow man talking to Doctor Halsey. That is, more signifcance beyond "Chief and other Spartan-II's are sociopathic machines." Which honestly, I feel is just an objective statement that is hardly true. While playing Spartan Ops and Halo 4, I've noticed the very lacking of Spartans in the Spartan-4s. They basically all seem like a bunch of over grown marines and ODSTs. In History, Spartans were very silent, as they saw to incoporate austerity in all things including speech. Note the first Spartan Ops episode, the only thing that told me these people were super soldiers and not freshly enlisted frat boys was their armor. It certainly distracted from what made Spartans feel special throughout the first three games, and Reach. Which leads me back to Dr. Halsey's interrogation. Whoever that man was at the beginning was trying to probe deeper into Dr. Halsey's mind. He already knew what she had already disclosed. How many times do you think her reports on the Spartan II program had been read? How many times had she been already asked the same questions by other officials? He's not interested in what he's been told. He's interested in what he hasn't been told. Probably something important that was key to making the Spartan-II's the most efficient of all of them. I believe that in some way the recreation of the Spartan-II program will play a part in the next game. Or maybe the next two. I agree. Tho thats basically what 4s are, ODSTs with better armour. Im hoping to see Chief put a whoopin on a 4 at some point in the future games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatanicBagels Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Yes, in that opening cinematic it seemed (at least to me) that the shadow man was trying to discover the secret of Hasley's success with her spartan-II program. In that sense I get a feeling that 343 industries is trying to set up a potential human antagonist as well as set up the foundation to include more spartans (the real ones) to the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyAwesome Posted November 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Yes, in that opening cinematic it seemed (at least to me) that the shadow man was trying to discover the secret of Hasley's success with her spartan-II program. In that sense I get a feeling that 343 industries is trying to set up a potential human antagonist as well as set up the foundation to include more spartans (the real ones) to the story. I doubt Halsey will ever give that up either, as it becomes pretty well establish the guilt she gains later on in the novels. I guess we'll start to see depending on how far they are going to take Spartan Ops. I still haven't finished any of the Episode 3 Missions yet. I do hope that they include real Spartans again. If the next game is to be the Darkest Halo Game (or is it trilogy?) we could see a heavy civil war re-surface as one aspect of it, and probably some enemy which does manage to consume Earth, probably a returning Didact. I agree. Tho thats basically what 4s are, ODSTs with better armour. Im hoping to see Chief put a whoopin on a 4 at some point in the future games. I hope so too. I can agree to Spartans having some personality. To the level that we saw in Noble Team was fine. But these ones just sort of ruin what makes Spartans special. I actually grew to like Masterchief More in Halo 4. Despite that I've been playing Halo since I was 11, he was never a favorite character of mine and even at some points I found him dislikeable. For the sole fact that he wasn't really a character until this game. 343 was lacking in some areas of this game (mainly MM!) but they really did it way better than Bungie did in terms of Campaign and bringing the story to life. It'd be interesting to see if any of the Spartan-4s would pick a fight with him the way that the ODSTs did in Fall of Reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebradley Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 "First we taught them to be silent, then we taught them to be Spartans." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meta Knight Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 I hope they add more spartans or at least talk about them a lot, because it gets kind of boring doing the same thing over and over again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra1117 Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 They won't continue the Spartan-II program, it doesn't make sense. Sure they were the most successful iteration of the program but that's why they've been creating Spartan-III's and IV's, to improve on that success. Now of course the II's were the strongest variation, but the UNSC would have to wait at least 8 years until they become as useful as the original II's because they'd have to kidnap 6 year olds and wait until they're 14 to augment them. This is why the IV program consists of adult volunteers, so they can go into the field sooner, and it seems as if the IV's are more effective and stronger than the III's, but we can't draw that conclusion until we see III's and IV's fight together, and thatcan happen because there are 5 surviving Spartan III's as of 2553. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36-2071 Pragmatic Avarice Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Spartan IV's are also more ethical. Now, I've had this crazy theory, the not-so-likable plan ONI (including Halsey) includes getting the Sangheili an exclusive part in Spartan V. This will come soon I bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Director Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 I seriously doubt that there will be a recreation of the S-II program, mainly because of Admiral Parangosky revealing the naughty details of the original S-II program to the public. This means that if children begin to go missing again, the parents will begin to speak out thinking that their child was kidnapped by the government. And the S-IV program is going pretty decently, so there is no need to shut down the program. The S-II program was shut down because of the risks of being found out, the S-III program was shut down because it was deemed unethical to continue it in a time of peace, but the S-IV program uses "safe" genetic enhancements along with volunteers, so there are no ethical dilemmas that will cause the program to be shut down. Plus, what would they call it? Spartan II.I? .-. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose The Ace Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 yheah sparten 4 probjet seems most prtical and the best to be far sparten 2 took too long and where 2 expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hᴜᴍᴘsᴛʏʟᴇs Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Now, I've had this crazy theory, the not-so-likable plan ONI (including Halsey) includes getting the Sangheili an exclusive part in Spartan V. This will come soon I bet. Extrapolate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36-2071 Pragmatic Avarice Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 If human children can be kidnapped for indoctrination basically, then yeah, this idea of mine is around Halsey's moral pillar..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benchimus Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 I seriously doubt that there will be a recreation of the S-II program, mainly because of Admiral Parangosky revealing the naughty details of the original S-II program to the public. This means that if children begin to go missing again, the parents will begin to speak out thinking that their child was kidnapped by the government. And the S-IV program is going pretty decently, so there is no need to shut down the program. The S-II program was shut down because of the risks of being found out, the S-III program was shut down because it was deemed unethical to continue it in a time of peace, but the S-IV program uses "safe" genetic enhancements along with volunteers, so there are no ethical dilemmas that will cause the program to be shut down. Plus, what would they call it? Spartan II.I? .-. But the parents never knew their kids went missing. They were replaced with clones that were designed to die after a set amount of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForgottenSon91 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 It is possible to bring the Spartan II project, through the usage of orphans. That's all I'm saying, it may be immoral to do so but not to many questions would be asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36-2071 Pragmatic Avarice Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 I believe Halsey is resourceful, cunning, and might use friendlies (non-storm) of the Sangheili race in a niche Spartan-5 Program. I don't think she's the type to give up on dire resorts. Why do I think this? She's getting awfully close to a Sangheili fleet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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