My thoughts on Halo 4.

[Masked_Menace]

Well well well.. Halo 4! Where do i begin.

 

I was an avid Halo player and have played for aslong as i can remember. I use to come online and play with all my friends playing a fun competitive all round good game! All them friends no longer play xbox. Why you ask me? Because of rubbish developed games like this!

 

Halo 2, Halo 3 - The best console multiplayer games. You had to be good to achieve a rank! Not how long you played the game. You started with the same weapon you battle over the power weapons, team work was crucial the maps were balanced etc etc. You wanted to win to get that number up by your level that you was so proud of! Then as years went by Halo reach came out....

 

Thats where a company called bungie saw something. The number of sales of Call of Duty games. Yes Call of Duty is a very popular game there is no denying that.. The reason being its a noob friendly game. Fun i admit but not competetive to say the least. The number of MLG viewers of Halo still absoulutely slaughtered it due to the reason Halo was were the ''real gamers'' played.

 

So things got released like perks.. Jetpacks??? Armour Lock!!? You take the BATTLE RIFFLE OUT! I mean that i just asking for uprage! Thats like taking the bacon out of a BLT, it wouldnt make sense! The ranking system was removed.... so i go into a game were i have people flying round the map with jetpacks using a stupid gun called the DMR which i will come to shortly... and inside my head i think i couldnt give a monkeys if i lost anyway! I mean it doesnt matter does it... We all recieve the same rewards!

 

And as to no suprise the Halo population took a massive downfall! Bungie saw this.. they took the risk to lure call of duty players in and it backfired! I do wonder what idiots come up with theese ideas. Its just like someone else trying to remake Jaws and calling it Shark attack. It would not work its been done! Move on...

 

343 Came in to save the day. So i was hoping!....

 

It turns out you are more money hungry then Bungie was!

 

Not only do you try lure back the real Halo players with the ''Battle Riffle'' returning. You try to salvage Reach players with the DMR and to lure in call of duty players with all the retarded noob friendly stuff in the game! Its just all to much!

 

You cant move on halo 4 because the DMR is like a ******* sniper! The maps you created are beyond bad! WTF is the point in having different perks weapons etc! Why no ranking system! Everyone wants one so why is there not one! This is not competetive, this is not balanced, this does not require skill this is a remake of Call of Duty! But the difference is it is not fun!!! If i wanted to play cod i would play cod...

 

The only thing that game developers should take from Call of Duty is that they have a formula that works, and they don't make huge changes. Consequently COD players know that they are getting a game that they know and enjoy each new release and therefore COD is the most successful game in the industry. Halo 3 had more people playing daily, than Halo reach and Halo 4 combined. 343 need to understand that if they want to make a game as successful as COD. Like Halo once was! Keep it original.

 

The amount of changes from the well made Halo 3 to Halo 4 is just laughable! I could list them all but im sure all of you are aware of all these.

 

 

To all the people on the forum saying I played halo 2, 3 and this is the best halo yet, you obviously sucked arse at it or you would understand where im coming from. I no a massive group of old Halo players and i dont think there is one who says this is a good game.

 

Halo is officialy dead. Bungie knew it, 343 hit the nail in that coffin.

 

I am not arsed if you agree with me or not the numbers online tell the story!

 

[Private y0shi]

I couldn't agree more. The original multiplayer settings of Halo 2 and 3 are perfect for competitive games. It's a simple formula...

One skillfull default weapon: BR

One or two power weapons on map: Shotgun, Sword, Sniper rifle, rocket launcher etc.

One loadout: No sprint/sprint, BR, 1 frag grenade

Competitive maps like: Guardian, Sanctuary, Heretic, Synapse, Enclosed, Zealot, Countdown, Pit

Minimal aim assist

Balanced weapon/grenade damage

Fixed spawns

 

Not only 343 has managed to ignore all of these settings in Halo 4. But they have replaced them with skilless, unbalanced settings that more resemble COD or Battlefield than any previous Halo. Therefore the game Halo has died. It has not moved on, conformed, updated or whatever bull**** justification people seem to produce. I speculate the reason this has happened is that Microsoft want a franchise as successful as COD. Which would explain why every last thing in multiplayer has changed. Not only do we have customisable loadouts, but we have perks, specialisations, killstreak bonuses, weapon skins, instant respawn, joining sessions in progress, huge aim assist, machine guns like the Saw with huge reticles, grenade markers, killcams, disabled friendly fire. You can't even be scoped out... Why? Why can't you be scoped out, hasn't enough already been changed? Now if Halo "needs" to move on and try new things, then why can't there just be a few changes? Why does every single thing need to be changed? Because Call of Duty is making around $1billion each release. 343 wants to make this sort of money as well. Ironically enough 343 is in fact losing Halo players to COD, I count myself in that number.

 

 

All that I ask of 343 is that they create a ranked playlist that has "classic" Halo settings. BR's, no sprint, no loadouts, no perks, no specialisations, power weapon placements on map, good competitive maps (leave that one to the community if you can't do it), minimal aim assist, able to scope people out. If you had a set of ranked playlists (Team slayer, Team doubles, Team Objective and FFA) with those settings the Halo 4 population would increase dramatically!

[FiixUpLookSharp]

I totally totally agree!!

 

I pre-ordered halo 4 in anticipation that things may have changed since Reach, to only discover that they hadn't. How much more like COD can you try to be?

 

Why dont you stop trying to copy other games and like it was mentioned above, BE ORIGINAL! All you have to do is use the same game engine as halo 3, increase graphics, use some maps from halo 3 and make some more but dont try to make things to complex!

 

Maybe you have heard of the phrase that sometimes you can try to hard, which i think you have done with Halo 4, tried way to hard. Go back to basics and get rid of all the stupid perks, jet packs, sprint and other s**t that you have kept from Reach!

 

I can almost guarantee you that if you do a remake of Halo 3 but with better graphics and some new maps that you would get a massive increase in players.

 

I know you probably think halo 3 has been and gone and its time for something new, but, hey,,, that something new isnt working, it wont work and it will never work so listen to US, your customer and try again.

[Payne Within]

Ah, where to begin. Should I start with the fact that a one-eyed snail hiding in it's shell can be considered pro at Halo 4? Or maybe I should start with how Halo 4 is so reminiscent of CoD, Crysis, Battlefield, and Mass Effect that I'm not quite sure whether or not Halo has become an acronym for something. I won't, however, start with all the aforementioned issues, because, well. They've been mentioned.

 

Let's start with something simple, the lack of a ranking system. Reach, with all it's flaws and annoyances, still had something of a ranking system. The wonderful developers of Halo 4 elected to have no ranking system because, "It promoted boosting." I'm sure it did promote boosting, in the same way obesity promotes anorexia. Yes, there were boosters on Halo 2 and 3. Yes, people bought 50s on Halo 3. The part that was left out is that these legit 5s with their bought 50s would never play in a 50s playlist because they'd lose the precious 50, so they'd stick to a playlist where they could nurse their 5 in peace, without bothering the big boys.

 

The next part is the weapons. Or at least it would be if the weapons weren't so unbelievably over and underpowered that writing any coherent sentences about them is nearly impossible. Hmm, it seems as though I've just achieved the impossible. But I digress. Why would they think to bring back the famed BR and make it just about as powerful as a nerf gun with a broken trigger? And what about the DMR? Firstly, it's quite literally better than a sniper (resembles the m16 from CoD 4, for those who remember), and secondly, why are there only 14 shots in the gun now? Was Bungie's 15, giving enough for 3 potential kills, too illogical for 343 to comprehend? Or was it simply a way to undermine Bungie by saying, "no no, 14 is better because we're in charge now, not them." It's a minor gripe, I know, but it quite perfectly illustrates how 343 has done everything possible to avoid Bungie's influence in the game.

 

In all though, this game is so broken that I feel like a crack addict going cold turkey when I play it. I should probably point out that I'm a legit 50 on Halo 3, and have built myself a fairly nice service record on Reach. The fact that almost every random on Halo 4 seems to have a perfect 5-shot is proof enough for me to see that there's something wrong, and if they think I'm going to stick with it and adapt, well, as the frustrated zoo-keeper said to the last male panda on the planet; F@%K That! (pointing at female panda).

[Flawless]

As long as the MLG Playlist wont be messed up I don't give a **** about Halo 4. You could do whatever with these current playlist's in Halo 4, as long as you don't change the MLG Playlist. And the 50 rank system, why isn't it visible in game? Why do I have to take a look on Halo waypoint to see my current rank? That's stupid! I wan't go search games against same skilled players as I am. It's not funny searching some Slayer Pro in full team and totaly rape the enemy team and go +15 every single Slayer Pro game. There's no challenge in that, I had enough of all those garbage opponents in Halo: Reach because of no competitive ranking system and I don't want that Halo 4 will be the same as Halo: Reach.

 

Enough about that!

 

If you (343i) are out after earning as much cash as possible on selling Halo games like the CoD developers by selling a non skill **** game to kids, my suggestion is that you make a 100% fully working competitive ranking system in Halo 4 and not adding that much unnecessary things like ordnance drop and CoD like stuff. If you make a 100% working ranking system, I promise that there will be more players playing Halo 4 daily.

Just as somebody already wrote here, if I want to play CoD, I play CoD but dont add CoD like things in Halo please.

 

LISTEN TO THE GOD DAMN HALO MLG COMMUNITY AND NOT TO THE COD COMMUNITY!!

[TUL Confederate]

I always love the storys,but kinda dont like online.

[BLACKMESSANGER]

I get that all the old school halo players dont like all the changes and you say H2 & H3 are better but you have to understand the goal was not to make another H2/H3 remake why do something that has already been done .... cant you still go play those anyway ..... what you are asking for is already out get go online and play with all your old school friends....

 

Why cry about this not being like H2/H3 UNSC tech has change it dosent make the game bad just because its not like the old Halos... Why keep making games if there is no real change from game to game... if they did that you all would be crying about it not being much difference

 

 

 

[Private y0shi]

@Blackmessanger When people give responses like this i feel stunned, and have to take a moment just to work out how stupid the person making the response is. Firstly we didn't say the aim was to remake H2/H3. If anything we said the that the game that H4 closest resembles is COD, and that was what 343 aimed to achieve. Secondly it's not bad because it's not like the old halo's it's bad because of custom loadouts, specialisations, power weapons of spawn, instant respawn, join in progress, saw, incineration cannon, binary rifle, sticky launcher, auto aim, maps, rubbish spawns etc. I want them to make changes, just not **** ones like I just listed. H2 and H3 both had lots of room for improvement. But H4 is a huge step in the wrong direction. I would not complain if they made no real change because i like halo, i don't like halo 4 because it's nothing more than a shadow of halo. Halo 2 is not playable anymore and I am playing Halo 3 and Reach. I think that's covered everything, your points are stupid and invalid and your grammar is appalling. But thank you for responding to this post because it displays how clueless our opposition really is.

[a live dinosaur]

1. I have been playing Halo since Halo 2

2. I am an above average Halo player

3. I think Halo 4 is one of the best Halos, so your point is invalid

4. Most MLG pros love the custom loadouts

5. I agree on SOME maps, but if you know good maps, you will know Haven is a masterpiece

6. If games don't change, they stay the same and get boring after awhile

7. Ordnance seems pretty logical based on the large scaled maps

8. BTB Infinity Slayer has more players than Infinity Slayer

9. Wait for an MLG playlist, Reach didn't have one right away either

10. Why are you spreading your opinions that you know will anger a lot of people on a COMMUNITY Forum

11. Halo: PC and Halo 2 had spawns that would always get me spawn killed

12. Every weapon for loadouts are completely balanced (The precision weapons) even though I dislike the Light Rifle

13. The only thing that you have said that even makes logical sense to me is the map scale. I do love those small competitive maps

14. We all know 343i listens to the fans a bit more than Bungie does, I mean, ffs, they give WEEKLY title updates.

15. If there is going to be a community made map playlist, they surely will take some remakes and competitive maps

16. Do not forget that there will be a true-skil ranking system (basically identical to Halo 3's) in 2013, only VISIBLE via Waypoint

 

Your complaining will do very little here, go to halo.xbox.com if you want something to change. Either play the damn game or go back to Halo 3. I understand 100% how you feel about this, I too would like to see competitive maps back, but give 343i a chance. This is their FIRST Halo game, they will be making at least two more games. If you don't want to go play Halo 3 because it isn't "new" then that is nobody's problem but yours.

[Masked_Menace]

@forumdinasaur

 

You have played since halo 2 and are an above average player but think this is the best halo yet... which makes my point invalid? LOL.

 

Yeah because the numbers online compared to the times of Halo 2 & 3 are invalid and of course everyone elses views invalid.. Everyone is entitled to their view just because mine is different to yours does not make it ''invalid'', but as i said the numbers online tell me something different.

 

Of course games need change! Everything needs change in life, but if you over do it... the outcome will be nothing other then a fail! One thing that is certainly not invalid is this is not a Halo title, has no resembalance to the older titles and if you can honestly not see that then you are one deluded boy!

 

The maps are terrible but your right haven is the best map.... masterpiece?? I think not, the other competetive maps from older halos makes haven look like corn beef to steak.

 

The MLG pros are obviously not going to complain about any aspect of the game.. they make a living off Halo so why in their right mind are they going to criticise it? Thats like telling someone whos buying a product from a business not to bother because the business is falling flat on its @rse!

 

 

As to the ordnance seems logical? How? I can sit at the back of the map sniping people with the DMR.. then have a binary rifle spawn at my feet without moving the whole game! Yeah because this certainly doesnt promote camping .

 

The weapons are not balanced there is a reason why everyone uses the DMR buddy and its not because it looks nice and shiny

 

 

As to the ranking system being on waypoint, why is it not in the game? Why do i have to go onto Halo waypoint to see my level? That makes no logic at all and is completely pointless.

 

But eh if you enjoy all this utter BS then what ever tickles your fancy sweetheart. But as you stated in point number 11, makes me wonder if you are the above average player you stated....

 

Enjoy shooting someone 150 miles away in 4 shots. If it makes you feel like some sort of GOD

[Twisted Oracle]

i thought halo 4 was the best game yet

[a live dinosaur]

@forumdinasaur

 

You have played since halo 2 and are an above average player but think this is the best halo yet... which makes my point invalid? LOL.

 

Yeah because the numbers online compared to the times of Halo 2 & 3 are invalid and of course everyone elses views invalid.. Everyone is entitled to their view just because mine is different to yours does not make it ''invalid'', but as i said the numbers online tell me something different.

 

Of course games need change! Everything needs change in life, but if you over do it... the outcome will be nothing other then a fail! One thing that is certainly not invalid is this is not a Halo title, has no resembalance to the older titles and if you can honestly not see that then you are one deluded boy!

 

The maps are terrible but your right haven is the best map.... masterpiece?? I think not, the other competetive maps from older halos makes haven look like corn beef to steak.

 

The MLG pros are obviously not going to complain about any aspect of the game.. they make a living off Halo so why in their right mind are they going to criticise it? Thats like telling someone whos buying a product from a business not to bother because the business is falling flat on its @rse!

 

 

As to the ordnance seems logical? How? I can sit at the back of the map sniping people with the DMR.. then have a binary rifle spawn at my feet without moving the whole game! Yeah because this certainly doesnt promote camping .

 

The weapons are not balanced there is a reason why everyone uses the DMR buddy and its not because it looks nice and shiny

 

 

As to the ranking system being on waypoint, why is it not in the game? Why do i have to go onto Halo waypoint to see my level? That makes no logic at all and is completely pointless.

 

But eh if you enjoy all this utter BS then what ever tickles your fancy sweetheart. But as you stated in point number 11, makes me wonder if you are the above average player you stated....

 

Enjoy shooting someone 150 miles away in 4 shots. If it makes you feel like some sort of GOD

 

1. Well I think Halo 3 topped Halo 2 and Halo 4 imo, but I am satisfied with Halo 4.

2. If you don't want Ordnance, play Slayer Pro. It is great.

3. So Haven isn't a masterpiece? It plays extremely well for competitive play and feels just like an old school Halo map, yet it isn't a masterpiece compared to other Halo 4 maps?

4. Not true on the MLG thing. There are a couple of MLG players who have bashed Halo 4 even if they get paid playing it. A true Halo player will see the faults in a game if they don't like certain aspects.

5. Who cares if the ranks only show on waypoint. Can you not spare the extra, idk, 2 minutes launching up waypoint?

 

Also I agree with DigitalVirus

[BLACKMESSANGER]

@Blackmessanger When people give responses like this i feel stunned, and have to take a moment just to work out how stupid the person making the response is. Firstly we didn't say the aim was to remake H2/H3. If anything we said the that the game that H4 closest resembles is COD, and that was what 343 aimed to achieve. Secondly it's not bad because it's not like the old halo's it's bad because of custom loadouts, specialisations, power weapons of spawn, instant respawn, join in progress, saw, incineration cannon, binary rifle, sticky launcher, auto aim, maps, rubbish spawns etc. I want them to make changes, just not **** ones like I just listed. H2 and H3 both had lots of room for improvement. But H4 is a huge step in the wrong direction. I would not complain if they made no real change because i like halo, i don't like halo 4 because it's nothing more than a shadow of halo. Halo 2 is not playable anymore and I am playing Halo 3 and Reach. I think that's covered everything, your points are stupid and invalid and your grammar is appalling. But thank you for responding to this post because it displays how clueless our opposition really is.

 

What you r not getting is they have to change with the times and make games that will sale for the type of gamers that r playing... if you dont like the game dont play it easy right... getting on here calling me stupid dosent bother me at all call me whatever you like its ok... but the points that i made stands stop crying about the game and just play it.. or stand aside and let the people that are ready to have some fun have it.... You no you can always take your ball and go home if you dont have the will to adapt to change.

 

Side note my spelling cant be all that bad how else could you cover all your points so well... Think that was pretty stupid of you to put that part in there.... face it the old ass Halo is gone and all the changes are sweet 343 hit it on the head my friend..

[CJMorris93]

I too was an avid supporter of halo 3 it was and still is my favourite game of all time! I got reach but never really played it much until I realised I needed to get myself in order for halo 4! Then the day of halo 4 was coming I couldn't wait as I thought it was back to the old halo 3 days where if someone beat you they or their team was better then you, you get mad but accept that. I've spent about 2days gameplay on halo 4 multiplayer and I hate nearly every map except for a select few and even then it depends on the game type! I liked the idea of weapons dropping onto the map as it would stop weapon camping but it is still ridiculous as they always tend to spawn on one side of the map so only one team benefits, also the DMR is the most over powered weapon ever created, why bother putting the sniper into the game when you have that! All in all this is too similar to call of duty games which I never liked after cod4 as they became noob friendly and new skill or tactics were involved and this is how halo 4 feels, utterly disappointing and over complicated, keep it simple just remake halo 3!

[Private y0shi]

What you r not getting is they have to change with the times and make games that will sale for the type of gamers that r playing

I understand that all games need to make changes between releases in order to sell. I stated something similar to that in my 2 posts. You aren't in any position to call me stupid, because you can't spell or string a cogent sentence together. Your accusation is false and your initial points are terrible.

[Private y0shi]

/they have to change with the times and make games that will sale for the type of gamers that r playing...

I fear you are right. The gross majority of players now are liking halo 4 more than the old halo's they prefer beating people by choosing perks sticky grenades and boltshots of spawn. Rather than taking the time, perseverance and skill needed to learn how to play the game well.

This is the sort of news that makes me think we should disband all governments, pump poison gas into all public buildings and just restart humanity from scratch.

[Private y0shi]

Spartan Ops netcode is bull****. Black screen frequency is bull****. Bro spawn weight is bull****. Lack of pickup weapons is bull****. Crawler headshot window is bull****. Removal of Grenade Launcher is bull****. Spartan Laser is still bull****. Sarah Palmer is bull****. Dudebro Spartans running out with shotguns is bull****. Spartan Ops dialogue is bull****. Audio mixing is bull****. Lack of flag dropping is bull****. Waypoint over flag carrier is bull****. Not having Specialization perks for custom games is bull****. Not giving Europeans Specializations is bull****. Forcing one code per account is bull****. Locking away armors to certain preorders is bull****. Spawning asymmetrically on Haven is bull****. Spawning asymmetrically on Abandon is bull****. Deciding on three pieces of DLC before the game is out is bull****. Double XP is bull****. Framerate during split screen is bull****. Framerate during Dominion is bull****. Forge having only white pieces is bull****. Player inertia is bull****. Power weapons in personal ordnance is bull****. No medal for Perfections is bull****. Instant respawn always on is bull****. Lack of skulls in Spartan Ops is bull****. Lack of Campaign scoring is bull****. Lack of Firefight is bull****. Always checking for downloadable content is bull****. Lack of any Forge maps in Matchmaking is bull****. Lobby design is bull****. The light beam on Solace is bull****. Friendly fire disabled in Infinity Slayer is bull****. Kill cams being incredibly buggy is bull****. Starting matches with uneven teams is bull****. Clipping into corners is bull****. Removal of weapon specific sprees is bull****. Information overload is bull****. Waypoint over every enemy is Spartan Ops is bull****. Scrolling arrows UI in the menu is bull****. UI for Specializations is bull****. Waypoint app not updating to Halo 4 is bull****. Armor Abilities looking the same when on the ground is bull****. Gravity volumes forced to 5x5 and 10x10 is bull****. Limiting certain Forge items to one palette is bull****.

 

Camo is bull****. Boltshot is bull****. Jetpack is bull****. UI is bull****. Random ordnance is bull****. Binary Rifle is bull****. Lack of precision Forge controls is bull****. Lack of zoom in Forge is bull****. Flinch is bull****. Perk design is bull****. DMR is bull****. Promethean Vision is bull****. Sniper aim assist is bull****. Beam Rifle aim assist is bull****. Boltshot trigger latency is bull****. Lack of online File Share is bull****. Unlocking emblems is bull****. Scattershot inconsistency is bull****. Incineration Cannon is bull****. SAW is bull****. Grenades in ordnance drops is bull****. Suppressor is bull****. Pistol is bull****. Storm Rifle is bull****. Vehicle set on Exile is bull****. Banshee is bull****. Scorpion is bull****. Gauss Hog is bull****. Regicide is bull****. Calling in overshield when you need it is bull****. Excluding Extraction is bull****. Forcing zombie skin is bull****. Lack of Zombie options is bull****. Forced sprint is bull****. Lack of Race is bull****. Lack of campaign theatre is bull****. Locking all but two Specializations is bull****. Lack of visible skill is bull****. Forcing you to sign in to view stats is bull****. Magnets on edges instead of corners is bull****. Prometheans looking the same is bull****. Lack of feedback on enemies is bull****. Sword not slowing when shot is bull****. Reusing the same challenge is bull****. Giving enemies one shot kill weapons is bull****. No death count in Spartan Ops is bull****. Promethean spawning is bull****. Sword not having slowdown on AI is bull****. Marketing is bull****. Human structures on dirt is bull****. Lack of distinguishing sides on Adrift is bull****. 2 Flag on Complex is bull****. Hill on Ragnarok is bull****. The Mantis is bull****. Join in Progress with the enemy team nearing victory is bull****. No flat space to Forge on is bull****. Warthog sound being louder than anything else is bull****. Captain Del Rio is bull****. The ending is bull****. Battlewagons taking 3 Railgun shots is bull****. Spartan Ops netcode is bull****. Black screen frequency is bull****. Bro spawn weight is bull****. Lack of pickup weapons is bull****. Crawler headshot window is bull****. Removal of Grenade Launcher is bull****. Spartan Laser is still bull****. Sarah Palmer is bull****. Dudebro Spartans running out with shotguns is bull****. Spartan Ops dialogue is bull****. Audio mixing is bull****. Lack of flag dropping is bull****. Waypoint over flag carrier is bull****. Not having Specialization perks for custom games is bull****. Not giving Europeans Specializations is bull****. Forcing one code per account is bull****. Locking away armors to certain preorders is bull****. Spawning asymmetrically on Haven is bull****. Spawning asymmetrically on Abandon is bull****. Deciding on three pieces of DLC before the game is out is bull****. Double XP is bull****. Framerate during split screen is bull****. Framerate during Dominion is bull****. Forge having only white pieces is bull****. Player inertia is bull****. Power weapons in personal ordnance is bull****. No medal for Perfections is bull****. Instant respawn always on is bull****. Lack of skulls in Spartan Ops is bull****. Lack of Campaign scoring is bull****. Lack of Firefight is bull****. Always checking for downloadable content is bull****. Lack of any Forge maps in Matchmaking is bull****. Lobby design is bull****. The light beam on Solace is bull****. Friendly fire disabled in Infinity Slayer is bull****. Kill cams being incredibly buggy is bull****. Starting matches with uneven teams is bull****. Clipping into corners is bull****. Removal of weapon specific sprees is bull****. Information overload is bull****. Waypoint over every enemy is Spartan Ops is bull****. Scrolling arrows UI in the menu is bull****. UI for Specializations is bull****. Waypoint app not updating to Halo 4 is bull****. Armor Abilities looking the same when on the ground is bull****. Gravity volumes forced to 5x5 and 10x10 is bull****. Limiting certain Forge items to one palette is bull****. Forge items being .2 units longer than an even .0 or .5 is bull****. Forge items not being even with the world coordinates is bull****. Active roster not being organized by name is bull****. Regeneration ability from loadout is bull****. Lack of ranking system is bull****. Connection is still bull****. Delayed specialisation codes is bull****.

[GrimmGirl]

You said Lack of Flag Dropping twice. Plus is really that necessary to use that language throughout an entire post? I appreciate your not a massive fan of the game for those reasons but still I don't think that use of language is acceptable here.

[Private y0shi]

Spartan Ops netcode is bull****. Black screen frequency is bull****. Bro spawn weight is bull****. Lack of pickup weapons is bull****. Crawler headshot window is bull****. Removal of Grenade Launcher is bull****. Spartan Laser is still bull****. Sarah Palmer is bull****. Dudebro Spartans running out with shotguns is bull****. Spartan Ops dialogue is bull****. Audio mixing is bull****. Lack of flag dropping is bull****. Waypoint over flag carrier is bull****. Not having Specialization perks for custom games is bull****. Not giving Europeans Specializations is bull****. Forcing one code per account is bull****. Locking away armors to certain preorders is bull****. Spawning asymmetrically on Haven is bull****. Spawning asymmetrically on Abandon is bull****. Deciding on three pieces of DLC before the game is out is bull****. Double XP is bull****. Framerate during split screen is bull****. Framerate during Dominion is bull****. Forge having only white pieces is bull****. Player inertia is bull****. Power weapons in personal ordnance is bull****. No medal for Perfections is bull****. Instant respawn always on is bull****. Lack of skulls in Spartan Ops is bull****. Lack of Campaign scoring is bull****. Lack of Firefight is bull****. Always checking for downloadable content is bull****. Lack of any Forge maps in Matchmaking is bull****. Lobby design is bull****. The light beam on Solace is bull****. Friendly fire disabled in Infinity Slayer is bull****. Kill cams being incredibly buggy is bull****. Starting matches with uneven teams is bull****. Clipping into corners is bull****. Removal of weapon specific sprees is bull****. Information overload is bull****. Waypoint over every enemy is Spartan Ops is bull****. Scrolling arrows UI in the menu is bull****. UI for Specializations is bull****. Waypoint app not updating to Halo 4 is bull****. Armor Abilities looking the same when on the ground is bull****. Gravity volumes forced to 5x5 and 10x10 is bull****. Limiting certain Forge items to one palette is bull****.

 

Camo is bull****. Boltshot is bull****. Jetpack is bull****. UI is bull****. Random ordnance is bull****. Binary Rifle is bull****. Lack of precision Forge controls is bull****. Lack of zoom in Forge is bull****. Flinch is bull****. Perk design is bull****. DMR is bull****. Promethean Vision is bull****. Sniper aim assist is bull****. Beam Rifle aim assist is bull****. Boltshot trigger latency is bull****. Lack of online File Share is bull****. Unlocking emblems is bull****. Scattershot inconsistency is bull****. Incineration Cannon is bull****. SAW is bull****. Grenades in ordnance drops is bull****. Suppressor is bull****. Pistol is bull****. Storm Rifle is bull****. Vehicle set on Exile is bull****. Banshee is bull****. Scorpion is bull****. Gauss Hog is bull****. Regicide is bull****. Calling in overshield when you need it is bull****. Excluding Extraction is bull****. Forcing zombie skin is bull****. Lack of Zombie options is bull****. Forced sprint is bull****. Lack of Race is bull****. Lack of campaign theatre is bull****. Locking all but two Specializations is bull****. Lack of visible skill is bull****. Forcing you to sign in to view stats is bull****. Magnets on edges instead of corners is bull****. Prometheans looking the same is bull****. Lack of feedback on enemies is bull****. Sword not slowing when shot is bull****. Reusing the same challenge is bull****. Giving enemies one shot kill weapons is bull****. No death count in Spartan Ops is bull****. Promethean spawning is bull****. Sword not having slowdown on AI is bull****. Marketing is bull****. Human structures on dirt is bull****. Lack of distinguishing sides on Adrift is bull****. 2 Flag on Complex is bull****. Hill on Ragnarok is bull****. The Mantis is bull****. Join in Progress with the enemy team nearing victory is bull****. No flat space to Forge on is bull****. Warthog sound being louder than anything else is bull****. Captain Del Rio is bull****. The ending is bull****. Battlewagons taking 3 Railgun shots is bull****. Spartan Ops netcode is bull****. Black screen frequency is bull****. Bro spawn weight is bull****. Lack of pickup weapons is bull****. Crawler headshot window is bull****. Removal of Grenade Launcher is bull****. Spartan Laser is still bull****. Sarah Palmer is bull****. Dudebro Spartans running out with shotguns is bull****. Spartan Ops dialogue is bull****. Audio mixing is bull****. Lack of flag dropping is bull****. Waypoint over flag carrier is bull****. Not having Specialization perks for custom games is bull****. Not giving Europeans Specializations is bull****. Forcing one code per account is bull****. Locking away armors to certain preorders is bull****. Spawning asymmetrically on Haven is bull****. Spawning asymmetrically on Abandon is bull****. Deciding on three pieces of DLC before the game is out is bull****. Double XP is bull****. Framerate during split screen is bull****. Framerate during Dominion is bull****. Forge having only white pieces is bull****. Player inertia is bull****. Power weapons in personal ordnance is bull****. No medal for Perfections is bull****. Instant respawn always on is bull****. Lack of skulls in Spartan Ops is bull****. Lack of Campaign scoring is bull****. Lack of Firefight is bull****. Always checking for downloadable content is bull****. Lack of any Forge maps in Matchmaking is bull****. Lobby design is bull****. The light beam on Solace is bull****. Friendly fire disabled in Infinity Slayer is bull****. Kill cams being incredibly buggy is bull****. Starting matches with uneven teams is bull****. Clipping into corners is bull****. Removal of weapon specific sprees is bull****. Information overload is bull****. Waypoint over every enemy is Spartan Ops is bull****. Scrolling arrows UI in the menu is bull****. UI for Specializations is bull****. Waypoint app not updating to Halo 4 is bull****. Armor Abilities looking the same when on the ground is bull****. Gravity volumes forced to 5x5 and 10x10 is bull****. Limiting certain Forge items to one palette is bull****. Forge items being .2 units longer than an even .0 or .5 is bull****. Forge items not being even with the world coordinates is bull****. Active roster not being organized by name is bull****. Regeneration ability from loadout is bull****. Lack of ranking system is bull****. Connection is still bull****. Not getting scoped out is bull****.

[FarRider1212]

I agree I started playing with Halo 3 ODST,which was not the best game, but it gave me the opportunity to play Halo 3 xbox live...and I had that stage in Halo 4 where I just sat back and sniped ppl out with the DMR and the Sniper Rifle cause I would get it almost every ordinance...but then one day last week I got demolished by someone with an incineration cannon...I went back to look at his stats and he had 5 kills and 23 deaths...yet he some how had got an ordinance and I also looked at his service record...he had 1268 kills and 3143 deaths...how in the world does this player deserve an ordinance...I then went back onto halo 3 and played a team slayer battle on the pit and wow let me tell you it was then that I realized the big thing missing also in Halo 4 is team play...everyone goes off and does their own thing, and I'll admit I do it too...but there is no team play until you go to specialty games like oddball or I did a custom grifball game...I even got in the scorpion tank and one of my teammates started sticking the tank...why in the world would you ever hurt a team mate...if you did that on Halo 3 you would get instantly booted and another instance was when I was sniping my teammate stood right in front of me while I was shooting so I couldn't see on exile and I was like WTF mate...and then when I finally got around him he ended up sticking me in the back with a grenade and it didn't give a chance to boot him...I don't want to sit here and bash Halo 4 because it's 343 trying to reach other gamers that haven't played the franchise before...but at the same time I feel like it's punishing the players who really are passionate about their skill and classic play...and when they got rid of Team Slayer Pro from the game options this week I felt like it was the last straw in my book...I think the best compromise would be a new game type option called Classic Slayer...4x4 game type...and maybe have the option if it works well for 343 to have a Classic Slayer FFA...but I believe the Classic Slayer 4x4 game type would be just what we need to reinvigorate some of the players such as myself...I mean I don't like some of the maps but I would put up with the maps if we had a classic slayer option...I mean Complex would be fun with this type of gametype...but the format would be no armor abilities/support upgrades/tactical packages...and no ordinances...there would be a few weapons on the field of play to battle over i.e. rockets, scattershot, energy sword, sniper rifle, etc...and I mean I am against the different load outs, but if it would help 343 to bite on it I think the custom weapons could stay...such as the option to use dmr/BR/Assault Rifle/Covenant or Forerunner weapons, a sidearm: plasma pistol/boltshot/magnum, and grenades: plasma, frag, and pulse...that would still give some individuality while also giving the gameplay that classic feel...also I would have no sprinting option...that is what made the old game so strategic...I mean if you were good you had to effectively strafe and jump...I think this would give the old guard of Halo fanatics a good format to play Halo 4 xbox live...as well as not punish the new generation that 343 is trying to attract...I would like to see if others agree with me here...cause I think if we could get enough following we could make it happen as another game option

[Private y0shi]

@FarRider1212 That was a fantastic post. I completely agree with pretty much everything you said Glad to have your support. Spread the word! Classic Halo!

[Kodman Eats]

Halo 4 is the best game ever!