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Who else thinks that ONI would make a great secondary opposing force in Halo 5?

 

By this, I mean a bit more directly than they are in Halo 4. So ONI is trying to keep the Elites disorganized so that they do not pose a threat to humans again. During the Sangheili Civil War, they killed hundreds (probably thousands) of the Arbiter's followers to eliminate a threat that most likely exists only in their own minds, and by influencing and assisting the Covenant Remnant and Servants of Abiding Truth, have also put many human lives at risk. In fact if it weren't for ONI the Sangheili rebels would probably not be nearly as powerful as they are in Halo 4.

 

So in Halo 5, while we probably won't be fighting ONI directly, it might be interesting to see them opposing us more directly.

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The problem with humans fighting humans is that it creates a dystopian universe, something generally look down upon in the science fiction community. I read part of Glasslands, so I know ONI was supplying the Storm with weapons. It would be VERY interesting to fight Storm Covenant who wield human weapons. This would add a whole layer of deception to the universe and create some dynamic game-play.

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Read the post again.

 

"So in Halo 5, while we probably won't be fighting ONI directly, it might be interesting to see them opposing us more openly."

well then again we would still be fighting humans, sure not shooting them but we will be working against them, its already happen in reality, the cold war, nations werent shooting each other, most of em, but we were still sending spys around and watever

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The problem with humans fighting humans is that it creates a dystopian universe, something generally look down upon in the science fiction community. I read part of Glasslands, so I know ONI was supplying the Storm with weapons. It would be VERY interesting to fight Storm Covenant who wield human weapons. This would add a whole layer of deception to the universe and create some dynamic game-play.

They did say that Halo 5 will be the darkest of the Halo games.

Also, the Elites deserve to be eradicated? Even the ones who are still loyal to the Arbiter and want an alliance with the humans?

That would be like if we were to kill every Russian because of their former hostilities with us. It's just impractical and illogical.

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I dont think ONI will appear as enemies as majority of ONI is working with the spartans and the UNSC. But i can see their research and espionage sections screwing up and making everything worse. Like experimenting with flood (the mona lisa motion comic is a good example of splinter groups in ONI with flood) or activating Forerunner technology (the people who got zapped by the composer when the UNSC first found it were ONI scientists) OR if an ONI group really screws up they might try using a Halo Installation to attack the covenant. To be honest I wouldnt want to be fighting UNSC troops. Screws up the Image of Chief as the hero. Innies on the other hand...

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To understand this I think we have to look back at the intro of Halo 4. We never discovered the identity of the man who was interrogating Halsey, and even though it seemed like he was asking about how to create new spartans(which he was) i had a thought that maybe he wanted to know Johns weaknesses so they could prepare to defeat him. Why would they want to do that? To use their new Spartans to eliminate John and show their strength. But ONI would need a reason to kill him right? This is probably unlikely, but what if Serin Osman sent Palmer to kill Halsey, knowing Lasky would try to protect because if you know someone as well as she knew him, you can predict their reactions to certain things. She knew Halsey would survive and try to get revenge in the UNSC which is where John begins to become unsure of his allegiances. This is first shown in Halo 4 when he defies Del Rios order to hand over Cortana, choosing his only friend over the law. Imagine a similar scenario in which John is surrounded by spartan IV's and has Halsey, his mother figure at gun point. I could definitely see John fighting against ONI and the IV's and it would also be interesting to see Lasky and some Spartans(IV's and hopefully blue team) go rogue with him based on trust. The quote that I keep thinking of is "You say that like soldiers and humanity are two different things. Soldiers aren't machines, we're just people." In case you didn't understand my really confusing writing(which I apologize for) I want to see Chief, Halsey, Lasky, Blue Team, and some Spartan IV's fight ONI

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To understand this I think we have to look back at the intro of Halo 4. We never discovered the identity of the man who was interrogating Halsey, and even though it seemed like he was asking about how to create new spartans(which he was) i had a thought that maybe he wanted to know Johns weaknesses so they could prepare to defeat him. Why would they want to do that? To use their new Spartans to eliminate John and show their strength. But ONI would need a reason to kill him right? This is probably unlikely, but what if Serin Osman sent Palmer to kill Halsey, knowing Lasky would try to protect because if you know someone as well as she knew him, you can predict their reactions to certain things. She knew Halsey would survive and try to get revenge in the UNSC which is where John begins to become unsure of his allegiances. This is first shown in Halo 4 when he defies Del Rios order to hand over Cortana, choosing his only friend over the law. Imagine a similar scenario in which John is surrounded by spartan IV's and has Halsey, his mother figure at gun point. I could definitely see John fighting against ONI and the IV's and it would also be interesting to see Lasky and some Spartans(IV's and hopefully blue team) go rogue with him based on trust. The quote that I keep thinking of is "You say that like soldiers and humanity are two different things. Soldiers aren't machines, we're just people." In case you didn't understand my really confusing writing(which I apologize for) I want to see Chief, Halsey, Lasky, Blue Team, and some Spartan IV's fight ONI

Halsey said the guy wasn't ONI, "what do you want,the others were navel inteligence"

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You have a point but what I meen is that, I dont want Halo to change the fight agaisnt humans the thing that makes Halo different to other to me is not killing humans. It kinda stands out to me if you know what I meen...

 

There are thousands of games that involve fighting against humans. Fighting humans in the campaign doesn't make a game more like CoD any more than using a gun makes a game more like CoD.

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You have a point but what I meen is that, I dont want Halo to change the fight agaisnt humans the thing that makes Halo different to other to me is not killing humans. It kinda stands out to me if you know what I meen...

 

There are thousands of games that involve fighting against humans. Fighting humans in the campaign doesn't make a game more like CoD any more than using a gun makes a game more like CoD.

True, Halo is quite unique in that sense. You don't fight humans in Half-Life 2, either, but you still oppose Dr. Breen, who acts as the Combine's voice. 

If ONI succeeds with their plot and wipes out the Sangheili or turns them all against humanity again, that would damage the plot. 

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The problem with humans fighting humans is that it creates a dystopian universe, something generally look down upon in the science fiction community.

 

Lol wut. Off the top of my head: The Foundation, BioShock, Dune, Riddick, Elysium, The ultra-dystopian Warhammer 40k, Star Wars... Those are just the ones with humans fighting humans. If you're looking for dystopian you can add Starship Troopers, Aliens, Stargate, the 'looking glass reality' of Star Trek, Mass Effect, and many others on top of those. Initially even Halo was about the complete genocide of humanity as enacted by religious zealots with no true chance of survival. Then they tossed in a healthy helping of hyper-parisitical extragalactical organisms on an ancient artifact of a long dead civilization. Then we learned that the artifact was in fact part of a galactic scale WMD network that was used not to kill the parasite, but to kill anything they might use as food. Yep, we're all about holding hands and singing campfire songs in the science fiction community.

 

I could totally see ONI (or at least a section of ONI) as the boogie-man in Spartan Ops: Season 2. Halsey being party to some of ONI's darker secrets could be some sort of motivation for them. They could even have a specialist operative or team that the player gets clues of or glimpses from time to time. He/She'd have to be completely unhelpful though. Probably the cause of some dead-ends, sabotage, and the elimination of some HVTs you intended to interrogate.

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