Why People are Hating on 343

[OrangeSpartan]

The reason there is all this hate is because the game is not made by Bungie. They think that Halo will be "ruined" and not be great. They say they are true Halo fans, but they really aren't. I am accepting that 343 Industries is making the game and I think the game will be awesome. True Halo fans would accept change. I think change is good. Yes, everyone wants it to be like Halo 3, but if it was, why even make a new game?

You have a really good point but i just hope 343 doesn't screw up the storyline.

 

-OrangeSpartan

[mikez51]

The only game I remember 343 making was Twisted Metal. Was a good game and series. The third twisted metal was my favorite. If they can make some nice new games I think I'd tip my hat and buy more games from them.

[Twinreaper]

That was 989 that did Twisted Metal. Short and sweet this time! lmao

[mikez51]

oh my bad haha

[IElitePredatorI]

I don't hate them, they seem to have done a good job from what I have seen.

 

[Loser]

I dont hate 343 my opinoin they are makeing the halo series better then bungie.

[Darkrain491]

Speculation does not equal hate.

 

And there is much cause for speculation. It is very healthy for a big bussiness like Bungie to recieve speculation from its target audience and consumers. Think about it... If the entire halo fan-base took up your policy of accept that 343i can literally do no bad to the halo franchise (which they most certainly can), then Halo 4 wouldn't get refined down to the same kind of perfection that other Halo games produced.

 

If you look at it right you'll realize that the bnet community for the first 4 Halos was actually more of a help than an obstacle.

 

And that's kinda messed up logic to say that just because you don't like the idea of load-outs your not a real Halo fan. I mean, how does that corralate. Having a different opinion than you, mister OP, makes them evil people bent on destroying the Halo universe.

 

This is the smartest part ive read so far. load-outs in reach werent the problem persay, it was the AAs themselves. eg Armourlock and other OP stuff. the simple reason of halo reaches many 'flaws' was that bungie did not listen. the were to obsessed with thier 'super-powerful' armour lock as the said. it was to powerfull. now look at the 343 equivelent. the personal cover. it stops you moving just like armour lock but you can still be killed by explosives or from other directions your not facing, no melee stun no EMP effect. they listened to the Halo Reach complaints. And its only natuaral for you to be able to sprint so why are would you complain? it's realistic! sprint plus 'AA'. All those haters are just holding grudges after reach. well done for this forum my friend!

[HIWBC]

Some people get them stupidly mixed up with the people that made halo wars and say that they are crap but they aren't the same company so you know haters gonna hate.(I personally thought that Halo wars was alright anyway.)

[A Fhaol Bhig]

Because people are never happy with anything.

[Darkrain491]

yeah everyone has a complaint on something. and halo wars was a great game if you step back and look at for what type of game it is

[swaggerbetis44]

I dont hate 343 my opinoin they are makeing the halo series better then bungie.

 

you know 343 is made up of alot of bungie members BooBoo

[killerdude1635]

As a new game, 343 is doing fan-*******-tastic(no sarcasm)

 

As a new HALO game, I believe personally and along with a few who share my same belief, 343 is killing the very essence of Halo.

 

Does anybody reall want Call of Duty: Halo?

 

As it is right now, that is EXACTLY what it is. Hopefully that will change If they release a "Classics" playlist in it.

 

Seriously though, specilizations will be the inevitable death of Halo.

 

I guess it could be compared to the Minecraft situation, when it came to Xbox, the veteran players were severely disappointed in how it played, but newer players were over joyed.

[CandiBunni]

you know 343 is made up of alot of bungie members BooBoo

 

There are only a handful of former Bungie employees in 343 Industries. Most of the team are fresh faces.

[Darkrain491]

There are only a handful of former Bungie employees in 343 Industries. Most of the team are fresh faces.

And thankfully, Frank O'Conner was one of them, so he should prevent any major changes.

[TWD26]

People are hating on 343 industries because simply the game is not made by Bungie anymore.

[Darkrain491]

People are hating on 343 industries because simply the game is not made by Bungie anymore.

Bungie betreyed halo and the community when it ignored our requests and feedback from the beta.

[Graztraz]

Guys relax yeah i understand people think they will make it horrible because it ain't bungie.But in the end it will be the game we tell them to make cause they are listening to us.I am excited to see what 343 can do and what i seen so far from the gameplay vid's i am excited for halo 4 cause it look's like a mixture of old and new which is gonna be great to see how they do it.The same can be said about Gears of War :Judgement different studio but epic is helping out with the game so yeah i am kinda worried but in the end i will play the hell out of it and in the end i win cause it will be EPIC.Good luck 343 and i can not wait to see what ya have in store for halo4

[Twinreaper]

Bungie betreyed halo and the community when it ignored our requests and feedback from the beta.

 

I don't quite understand how that works? Bungie didn't betray anyone, it is us the community that failed them. For far too long has the community felt entitled, or seemed to know better on how or what made Halo work. Our constant bitching and moaning at them is what drove them to ignore a majority of our complaints. The community needs to become more diplomatic in the way that it treats issues, especially when contacting the developers directly or on the forums. Take a look at some of the responses over the years to issues and complaints. Could you honestly see a parent or another figure head responding kindly and quickly to some of the wording and phrases used? No, they wouldn't. So again, it is the community that has caused it's own problems and stifled any quick or appropriate fix to the issues.

[Darkrain491]

I don't quite understand how that works? Bungie didn't betray anyone, it is us the community that failed them. For far too long has the community felt entitled, or seemed to know better on how or what made Halo work. Our constant bitching and moaning at them is what drove them to ignore a majority of our complaints. The community needs to become more diplomatic in the way that it treats issues, especially when contacting the developers directly or on the forums. Take a look at some of the responses over the years to issues and complaints. Could you honestly see a parent or another figure head responding kindly and quickly to some of the wording and phrases used? No, they wouldn't. So again, it is the community that has caused it's own problems and stifled any quick or appropriate fix to the issues.

I was going for the dramatic effect. my real opinion is that they made their game. they released a beta, which is meant to be used for obtaining feedback and sorting the game. they ignored EVERY bit of bad feedback, made the game with to many OP elements and released it to earn as much money as they could before they lost the series. but becuase this isnt a last game for 343, infact it is the opposite, so they will listen as much as they can. that as how it should work. To paraphrase T.S Elliot, 'This is how Bungie left, not with a bang, but with a whimper'.

[Chewin3]

The reason there is all this hate is because the game is not made by Bungie. They think that Halo will be "ruined" and not be great. They say they are true Halo fans, but they really aren't. I am accepting that 343 Industries is making the game and I think the game will be awesome. True Halo fans would accept change. I think change is good. Yes, everyone wants it to be like Halo 3, but if it was, why even make a new game?

 

Can you really judge them? I'm as well was very skeptical over the Halo franchise being handed over to 343i, but I took my time and listened to what 343i was going with the franchise and liked what I heard and ultimately started to support them. But people who happens to disagree with them equals that they aren't "true Halo fans"? I disagree. The thing is, people like routine. It's easy and familiar, and by making changes tend s to make people at unease, afraid of the unknown. By changing something, you never know beforehand how it'll turn out and so you're simply afraid of all the 'what ifs'.

 

There are generally 5 aspects that make people resist change: Old habits, no control, worn out, insecurity and loss. Each of these aspects are natural reason for someone to hate change. Of course, there are people who loves change, and sees it as an experimentation / challenge / breath of fresh air.

 

The best direction for--in this case-- 343i, is to understand why people are resistant and provide the opportunity to talk with the fans of their directions, which they thankfully have! It's a shame though that many people refuse to even take their time and listen. Those who disagree, shouldn't be blamed.

[killerdude1635]

 

 

I don't quite understand how that works? Bungie didn't betray anyone, it is us the community that failed them. For far too long has the community felt entitled, or seemed to know better on how or what made Halo work. Our constant bitching and moaning at them is what drove them to ignore a majority of our complaints. The community needs to become more diplomatic in the way that it treats issues, especially when contacting the developers directly or on the forums. Take a look at some of the responses over the years to issues and complaints. Could you honestly see a parent or another figure head responding kindly and quickly to some of the wording and phrases used? No, they wouldn't. So again, it is the community that has caused it's own problems and stifled any quick or appropriate fix to the issues.

It'll be a cold assed day in hell when the community decides to grow up..

[The Fiery Knight]

Can you really judge them? I'm as well was very skeptical over the Halo franchise being handed over to 343i, but I took my time and listened to what 343i was going with the franchise and liked what I heard and ultimately started to support them. But people who happens to disagree with them equals that they aren't "true Halo fans"? I disagree. The thing is, people like routine. It's easy and familiar, and by making changes tend s to make people at unease, afraid of the unknown. By changing something, you never know beforehand how it'll turn out and so you're simply afraid of all the 'what ifs'.

 

There are generally 5 aspects that make people resist change: Old habits, no control, worn out, insecurity and loss. Each of these aspects are natural reason for someone to hate change. Of course, there are people who loves change, and sees it as an experimentation / challenge / breath of fresh air.

 

The best direction for--in this case-- 343i, is to understand why people are resistant and provide the opportunity to talk with the fans of their directions, which they thankfully have! It's a shame though that many people refuse to even take their time and listen. Those who disagree, shouldn't be blamed.

 

Agreed!

 

I as well am really happy over what I've seen with Halo 4, but I tend to get pissed on people who say that "real Halo fans are this and that". Okay sure, I agree that there are people who simply hate on almost everything that isn't as similiar as the game they like, but there are people who do have valid reasons for their beliefs. I mean, take my friends for example. They literally laughed out loud when I said that a new company is creating Halo 4, saying stuff like "They are milking the franchise dry" and "It will be a giant flop". I recommended that they watch the different interviews that are around, and even though they saw one or two, they weren't interested. That's their loss, but I'm not calling them "true Halo fans".

[Darkrain491]

343 continue right many wrongs. out of curiousity, did anyone like my paraphrase?

 

'This is how Bungie left, not with a bang, but with a whimper'

[DarknessX03]

The people out there who feel this way are only hypocrites. They love Halo so much and want it to keep it the same way, but do they want a CoD? No. Well, if it were to stay the same every time, then it would basically be the same kind of production CoD games have.

[Darkrain491]

The people out there who feel this way are only hypocrites. They love Halo so much and want it to keep it the same way, but do they want a CoD? No. Well, if it were to stay the same every time, then it would basically be the same kind of production CoD games have.

Most of what you just said i agree with. But I think that Some of the elements where changed to quickly. Which is the main problem, had it been more gradual, there would have been less protest i imagine, as the community would have had more time to get used to it. But that said, if your going to change your gameplay a little, then it should not be done under pressure of other games and copying other aspects from the opposing game. The fact that CoD BLOPS and MW3 copied both theartre and Infection respectivly.