Why People are Hating on 343

[SO7SF]

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[killerdude1635]

I laugh at people when they say "Halo is Not Turning into COD", because it's wrong, it is, the developers even said they were giving it the "COD treatment" obviously most people here are too busy worshipping 343 to see that their beloved is being turned into a frankengame.

 

 

[Real Talk]

I laugh at people when they say "Halo is Not Turning into COD", because it's wrong, it is, the developers even said they were giving it the "COD treatment" obviously most people here are too busy worshipping 343 to see that their beloved is being turned into a frankengame.

 

I dont see how adding a few things from COD means it will mirror COD. Obviously if there's a few good ideas to take from a game people are going to take it and implement into their own game to make things better.

[DarknessX03]

I dont see how adding a few things from COD means it will mirror COD. Obviously if there's a few good ideas to take from a game people are going to take it and implement into their own game to make things better.

 

Same, that's how a genre even starts in the first place.

[killerdude1635]

 

 

I dont see how adding a few things from COD means it will mirror COD. Obviously if there's a few good ideas to take from a game people are going to take it and implement into their own game to make things better.

I never said it was COD, I said it is Turning into COD, also, hiring people from treyarch and activision, your GONNA get COD-like gameplay.

[Real Talk]

I never said it was COD, I said it is Turning into COD, also, hiring people from treyarch and activision, your GONNA get COD-like gameplay.

 

Overall you will still get Halo "gameplay". I really doubt Halo will ever turn to COD, its just not what it is.

[DarknessX03]

Overall you will still get Halo "gameplay". I really doubt Halo will ever turn to COD, its just not what it is.

 

I agree, Halo is Halo. While there might be some people in 343 from treyarch and activision, it's not like CoD doesn't have any good aspects or innovations.

[The Director]

I laugh at people when they say "Halo is Not Turning into COD", because it's wrong, it is, the developers even said they were giving it the "COD treatment" obviously most people here are too busy worshipping 343 to see that their beloved is being turned into a frankengame.

Giving it the CoD treatment =/= turning it into CoD. Halo will always have many things that CoD doesn't.

1. Vehicles, and maps that support vehicles.

2. A steep learning curve (it's famous for it in fact).

3. New things added to it.

 

I'm afraid you've been infected with something known as a "logical fallacy". The arguments you've been presenting have a touch of formal fallacy to them. Let me explain.

 

You figure:

Halo is adding gameplay mechanics from CoD, therefor Halo will continue adding gameplay mechanics from CoD, therefor Halo will become CoD and is turning into CoD.

 

However, since the second inference is nothing but conjecture, that means that the rest of your argument (forgive the use of an old and tired meme here) is invalid.

 

Since you do not have enough evidence to support the second string, you are using what is known as an "inflammatory argument" in the hopes that other people will believe the way you do. Here's the chain that usually applies to inflammatory arguments.

 

1. Issue inflammatory argument.

2. Inflammatory argument is met with resistance.

3. Issue further inflammatory arguments.

4. If that fails, mock those who do not "buy into it", or express sympathy for them in a mocking manner.

[killerdude1635]

Imagine it like this, 343 is an artist that does renaissance styled paintings, treyarch does a Victorian styled painting, 343 hires treyarch to help with halo 4, now, you get a Victorian artist into the mix, your gonna get an ugly mix of renaissance and Victorian artwork.

That is what Halo 4 is right now.

A mix of 2-3 different styles.

 

 

And Director, giving it the COD treatment = Turning into COD. Eventually they'll just keep giving it the treatment until it IS COD.

[Real Talk]

Why cant the two mix eh?

Alright think of this, you have a variety of colors to use. The color that defines you and has defined you in the past is Green. Now theres another color that is pretty good, you are not going to use all of the other color because then you wouldnt be doing anything new. You will use this new color a little bit here and a little bit there. To make new masterpieces you have to adapt and try new things.

As things change, new things are taken that have worked or are working. COD has taken ideas from other things as well so Halo is not just taking ideas from COD if it wasnt orginally theirs to begin with.

[DarknessX03]

Imagine it like this, 343 is an artist that does renaissance styled paintings, treyarch does a Victorian styled painting, 343 hires treyarch to help with halo 4, now, you get a Victorian artist into the mix, your gonna get an ugly mix of renaissance and Victorian artwork.

That is what Halo 4 is right now.

A mix of 2-3 different styles.

 

 

And Director, giving it the COD treatment = Turning into COD. Eventually they'll just keep giving it the treatment until it IS COD.

 

How do you know that? As far as we know 343 could have a COMPLETELY different development team for Halo 5. Halo:Reach didn't turn out how we imagined the next Halo after 3, Halo 4 isn't how we imagined the next Halo after Reach, so how do you figure Halo 5 will turn out how you speculate it to be?

[The Director]

Imagine it like this, 343 is an artist that does renaissance styled paintings, treyarch does a Victorian styled painting, 343 hires treyarch to help with halo 4, now, you get a Victorian artist into the mix, your gonna get an ugly mix of renaissance and Victorian artwork.

That is what Halo 4 is right now.

A mix of 2-3 different styles.

 

 

And Director, giving it the COD treatment = Turning into COD. Eventually they'll just keep giving it the treatment until it IS COD.

Nice way to point out that you didn't read anything in my previous post. And no, giving it the CoD treatment means adding certain gameplay mechanics from CoD into the already existing gameplay mechanics for Halo.

 

Also, your last statement "Eventually they'll just keep giving it the treatment until it IS COD" is complete conjecture and not supported by any evidence whatsoever.

 

So, in layman's terms, you are now "runnin yo mouf cuz ur out of argumentz dawg".

[DarknessX03]

Nice way to point out that you didn't read anything in my previous post. And no, giving it the CoD treatment means adding certain gameplay mechanics from CoD into the already existing gameplay mechanics for Halo.

 

Also, your last statement "Eventually they'll just keep giving it the treatment until it IS COD" is complete conjecture and not supported by any evidence whatsoever.

 

So, in layman's terms, you are now "runnin yo mouf cuz ur out of argumentz dawg".

 

I um.. I liked the little layman's terms part. xD

[killerdude1635]

Nice way to point out that you didn't read anything in my previous post. And no, giving it the CoD treatment means adding certain gameplay mechanics from CoD into the already existing gameplay mechanics for Halo.

 

Also, your last statement "Eventually they'll just keep giving it the treatment until it IS COD" is complete conjecture and not supported by any evidence whatsoever.

 

So, in layman's terms, you are now "runnin yo mouf cuz ur out of argumentz dawg".

Sorry Director, but your wrong about that first part, you start adding gameplay aspects from COD it means it's turning into COD. Period.

 

I also wouldn't consider this an argument considering all but like 3-5 people on these forums are kissing 343's ass. I don't argue with people like that, I'm content knowing what I said is correct and see no reason trying to prove it to people like you.

[DarknessX03]

Sorry Director, but your wrong about that first part, you start adding gameplay aspects from COD it means it's turning into COD. Period.

 

I also wouldn't consider this an argument considering all but like 3-5 people on these forums are kissing 343's ass. I don't argue with people like that, I'm content knowing what I said is correct and see no reason trying to prove it to people like you.

 

Well that's just arrogant. There is absolutely no way to know if you're right or not. We're not kissing 343i's ass, we're simply taking into account that 343i is made up of Halo fans like us, so it's not wrong to speculate, be skeptical or be a fan of what 343i is doing. However, it is wrong to not take anyone else's opinion into account and just say "Well I'm right so none of your opinions matter".

[killerdude1635]

 

 

Well that's just arrogant. There is absolutely no way to know if you're right or not. We're not kissing 343i's ass, we're simply taking into account that 343i is made up of Halo fans like us, so it's not wrong to speculate, be skeptical or be a fan of what 343i is doing. However, it is wrong to not take anyone else's opinion into account and just say "Well I'm right so none of your opinions matter".

As soon as I was told I was "running my mouth" is when your opinions didn't matter. Arrogant? No.

 

Your not kissing their asses eh? What goes on around here says otherwise, sorry, but I call it as I see it.

[The Director]

Sorry Director, but your wrong about that first part, you start adding gameplay aspects from COD it means it's turning into COD. Period.

 

I also wouldn't consider this an argument considering all but like 3-5 people on these forums are kissing 343's ass. I don't argue with people like that, I'm content knowing what I said is correct and see no reason trying to prove it to people like you.

Except that CoD does not have weapons on the map, large maps, vehicles, forge, shields, or a canon so large and intricate that they've had to add books to it to tell the whole story. You can add every single feature of Call of Duty into Halo and Halo still won't be CoD for these reasons. As long as they keep power weapons spawning on the map instead of in player's hands, vehicles, larger maps for sniping and vehicle gameplay, forge, and a great story then Halo will never be CoD.

 

No matter how much vanilla pudding you add to chocolate pudding, it will never be vanilla pudding.

 

As far as kissing 343i's ass, idgaf about 343i. I don't care WHO makes Halo, just as long as they don't break it. If you don't believe that, you should check out some of my earliest posts here. I learned my lesson about worshipping GD's with Bungie, who broke the canon and then instead of releasing corrections simply said "The games are primary canon." THAT ticked me off. Not to mention how OP AL could be, Jetpacks on maps that shouldn't have them (like Caged), and a forge world maps released as in game content.

 

I call it as I see it as well, and if 343i does crap like that I'm going to be up in arms too. However, at this point in time it's not only unnecessary, it's ignorant.

[killerdude1635]

It starts with small stuff and grows into a massive mess of bad decisions, even if it isn't neccesary to complain now, it still counts.

[Hunterex12]

peaple just can;"t accept the fact that bungie betrayed us

[Real Talk]

It starts with small stuff and grows into a massive mess of bad decisions, even if it isn't neccesary to complain now, it still counts.

 

I believe some people would call this a slippery slope?

But I do agree with you in voicing your concern from the beginning.

[killerdude1635]

 

 

I believe some people would call this a slippery slope?

But I do agree with you in voicing your concern from the beginning.

Super simplified, yes, that's exactly what it is.

Imagine it all like a weed, it takes only 1 plant to doom your yard to enteral weed damnation. It WILL start with the small stuff and no body's willing to pull the weed before it spreads and when this stuff is neglected log enough, you've lost your yard.

In a relevant analogy, we've lost our game.

[Tallgeese]

The only thing I am not pleased with is the blatant ploy to make more money. Not including the Strider, Scanner, and Falcon emblem with the LE is a joke when they come with the regualr War Games Map Pass. Also making people pay for seasons of Sprtan Ops to get the achievements that come along with them is a crude ploy. Retailer exclusive pre-order bonuses and the later release of a Pre-Order Bonus DLC pack (mentioned by Frank O'Connor) is a blatant ploy to make more money. Personally for their first Halo game besides CE Anni 343i is bieng crude and unfair to their fanbase...

[Real Talk]

The only thing I am not pleased with is the blatant ploy to make more money. Not including the Strider, Scanner, and Falcon emblem with the LE is a joke when they come with the regualr War Games Map Pass. Also making people pay for seasons of Sprtan Ops to get the achievements that come along with them is a crude ploy. Retailer exclusive pre-order bonuses and the later release of a Pre-Order Bonus DLC pack (mentioned by Frank O'Connor) is a blatant ploy to make more money. Personally for their first Halo game besides CE Anni 343i is bieng crude and unfair to their fanbase...

 

Which big games isnt doing this nowadays? Pretty sad tbh. And to the weed picture. You cant really say the new additions are weeds. What you see as weeds others might see as daisies? But it all depends how you look at it. Im sure if these "weeds" dont work out they will be ripped out, roots and all, by next season. Or another way to say it is the additions wont be put into the next game.

[killerdude1635]

 

 

Which big games isnt doing this nowadays? Pretty sad tbh. And to the weed picture. You cant really say the new additions are weeds. What you see as weeds others might see as daisies? But it all depends how you look at it. Im sure if these "weeds" dont work out they will be ripped out, roots and all, by next season. Or another way to say it is the additions wont be put into the next game.

Some are daisies, but others are weeds, but it only takes a few weeds to kill off the daisies..

[Real Talk]

Some are daisies, but others are weeds, but it only takes a few weeds to kill off the daisies..

 

Then the daisies were not strong enough to survive . Survival of the fittest!